Argument supporting god...?

[Mud Dauber]

In answer to your question Mud Dauber.

I can't prove that God exists, neither can I prove that he doesn't.

What I can say, based on empirical evidence, is that the existence of God is extremely unlikely. The only way to believe is through faith, and God has provided me with no reason to have faith in him.

I make my living from gambling (poker since you asked ) and I wouldn't bet a nickel on his existence. I'd stake every chip I had on there being no God.

I imagine you'd stake everything on there being a God. That's your faith working over my reason. And vice versa..

Peace to you.

Poker? That's hilarious.

Tell me what the empirical evidence is.

[Krogith]

Krogith,

I'm not sure what you're preaching, but I believe that Jesus is the Son of God. He is the Word of God. He is God himself.

See beliveing in the trinity is not bible based. No man could See god and yet live. Jesus was gods 1st creation. Jehovah god used Jesus as a master worker. Jesus told you to never bow down to him and to always Direct worship to his Father in heaven.

There not one in the same.

[Ignatius]

It's not down to me to prove that God doesn't exist, it's down to you to prove he does. This point has been explained again and again, most succintly by Mr Devious in his "jellyfish" analogy.

Why is poker hilarious? It's my job, nothing else. I'm not trying to ascribe some spiritual meaning to it.

[LuckyCharms]

here ill put it this way do you really think that everything that is could have came from nothing or even a big bang.
if you take a watch smash it into a million pieces put it into a bag and shake it for 10 billion years what are the chances when you reach into that bag you'll pull out a watch ticking and on time.
same thing goes for the world something had to make it this way.
i do believe in a creator but fuck religion its a way to supress people and get them to do what the pope,government and plain old nice people want you to do.

[Pass That Shit]

See beliveing in the trinity is not bible based. No man could See god and yet live. Jesus was gods 1st creation. Jehovah god used Jesus as a master worker. Jesus told you to never bow down to him and to always Direct worship to his Father in heaven.

There not one in the same.

What trinity? I believe that Jesus is the Son of God. He is the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. These three are ONE. I can see you don't know the difference between the son of man and the Son of God?

Are you trinity? Or one person? Don't you have one body, one soul, one spirit? How many people are you? Were we not made in his image?


Kgorith wrote: "No man could See god and yet live"

And Jacob called the name of the place Peniel: for I have seen God face to face, and my life is preserved.

And the LORD spake unto Moses face to face, as a man speaketh unto his friend.



Didn't Moses see God face to face like I would have seen you in the street? And yes, Moses lived after seing God face to face.

Your religion is misguiding you in the scriptures, cause people bowed down to Jesus in the new testament. They worshipped him. You are accusing that worshipping Jesus is wrong and those people were not of God. That is your private interpretation. They believed in Jesus and they bowed to him cause they believed he was the Son of God. He recieved worship. Did Jesus ever tell anyone not to worship him? Did he ever reject it? Don't kid yourself. Those people bowed down and worshipped God according to the scriptures.

In the old testament The GOD of Jacob says that he is the only Savior. In the new testament it says that Jesus is the Savior. You are trying to make them out to be 2 but the scriptures teach that there is only one God. Jesus is the image of the invisible God. You are obviously not a Christian cause you don't believe in him. When I see Jesus I will bow to him. Your preaching that God is not a man even though God made us in his "image". Image is something you can see. God made man in his image. That's why we look like him.

[LuckyCharms]

ok so if god is real and he created the entire universe
this is believed as thruth by religious people but if that is so nothing could have been created without god so my question to you is if everything came from God how did God get here

[Mud Dauber]

It's not down to me to prove that God doesn't exist, it's down to you to prove he does. This point has been explained again and again, most succintly by Mr Devious in his "jellyfish" analogy.

Why is poker hilarious? It's my job, nothing else. I'm not trying to ascribe some spiritual meaning to it.

I "respectfully" disagree, Iggy. You stated that there was empirical evidence, I asked you what it was. Why are you skirting the issue ? Just answer the question.

Why do you assume that I was laughing at your "living" because I thought you were trying to ascribe some spiritual meaning to it ?

I can't imagine poker is a good way to make a living and support a family unless you're cheating at it.

[Pass That Shit]

[quote=Ignatius]It's not down to me to prove that God doesn't exist, it's down to you to prove he does. This point has been explained again and again, most succintly by Mr Devious in his "jellyfish" analogy.

What you fail to see in this conversation is that there are many people who have given their account about God. It's their testimony you are accusing. They have put down on paper that they seen him. People wrote down on paper that they seen Jesus die. People wrote down on paper good tidings that he rose after they had killed him. They are spreading the word that there is more life after death cause the eyes of man have seen it. These testimonies have come from every generation. You may find this comical, but at the resurrection of Jesus, other men rose out of their tombs as well and went and appeared unto all. So the word spread of these events. Jesus must have been the most controversial man ever to create the kind of stir that he did that still exists about him until this day. Look at what's going on in the Middle East because of the words of Jesus. See, I think I disregard science (the findings of man) as not being accurate just like you disregard his word of not being accurate. Even though a scientist tells me something, it doesn't make his facts true. Just how you feel about his word. At one point, man thought the earth was square. Now they figured out that it's round. What they still don't know is that it has four corners.


And by the way, are the tables rigged? Once I played black 4 times straight, and I lost my $200 pretty quick. I was like, is there a button they press so it doesn't land on black? LOL

[Krogith]

What trinity? I believe that Jesus is the Son of God. He is the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. These three are ONE. I can see you don't know the difference between the son of man and the Son of God?

Are you trinity? Or one person? Don't you have one body, one soul, one spirit? How many people are you? Were we not made in his image?


Kgorith wrote: "No man could See god and yet live"

And Jacob called the name of the place Peniel: for I have seen God face to face, and my life is preserved.

And the LORD spake unto Moses face to face, as a man speaketh unto his friend.



Didn't Moses see God face to face like I would have seen you in the street? And yes, Moses lived after seing God face to face.

Your religion is misguiding you in the scriptures, cause people bowed down to Jesus in the new testament. They worshipped him. You are accusing that worshipping Jesus is wrong and those people were not of God. That is your private interpretation. They believed in Jesus and they bowed to him cause they believed he was the Son of God. He recieved worship. Did Jesus ever tell anyone not to worship him? Did he ever reject it? Don't kid yourself. Those people bowed down and worshipped God according to the scriptures.

In the old testament The GOD of Jacob says that he is the only Savior. In the new testament it says that Jesus is the Savior. You are trying to make them out to be 2 but the scriptures teach that there is only one God. Jesus is the image of the invisible God. You are obviously not a Christian cause you don't believe in him. When I see Jesus I will bow to him. Your preaching that God is not a man even though God made us in his "image". Image is something you can see. God made man in his image. That's why we look like him.

Jehovah God is the Father and Jesus was created. Only the Father knows the time of the end not the son. Jesus is following his Fathers exsample and is a servant just as much as we are. He has a differnt role to play but a fellow slave non the less.

Do not confuse your self and pray to Jesus. We pray to Jehovah God ( YhWh in hebrew) Through Jesus Christ. Through Jesus we get to know about his Father there not one in the same.


Jesus Did tell people Not to worship him.

[Pass That Shit]

You don't understand the son of man and the Son of God principle. The Son of God has no decent. He has no father or mother. He has no beginning of days or end of life. Read about Melchisedec. He was made like the Son of God. You're only testifying that jesus is the son of man, but you're denying that he's the Son of God. The jews rejected Jesus as the Son of God, but they knew that their messiah would be God himself. They knew that it would be God himself that would save them. They just didn't believe it was Jesus, and are still waiting to be delivered.

Jesus is the author and finisher of our faith. Nothing was made that was made without him. He is "before" all things. Jesus came to save "his" peole from their sins. Jesus said that Moses' writings are his words. You are just repeating the false religious teachings that are out there. Jesus is the Word of God.

I wonder why you didn't provide any scripture in your reply? The word proved you wrong about seeing God and you just ignored it and preached religion. Did Phillip not ask Jesus to show them the Father? What did Jesus tell him? He said he who hath "seen" me hath "seen" the Father.

"And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name JESUS: for he shall save his people from their sins"

"Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us."

"Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD:"