Quote Originally Posted by Ignatius
I've experienced much beauty in my life, and I see it every day when I look at my daughter for instance. I put that down to biology, and you can put that to the test anytime you have a willing partner. You don't need to stoop to insults Mud Dauber, or maybe you do, it's your choice I guess.

Here's why I think the proof is on you. Suppose you and I were sitting in a room together, and I say to you "hey, look at this" and show you something in my hands. I have nothing there, so you can't see it. Let's say I keep saying I can see it. Is the burden of proof on me to produce it, or on you to believe it's right there even if you can't see it.

Take your time..
Did I insult you ? I didn't mean to if I did. Do you mean where I said you must have had a sad life ? That wasn't meant as an insult, I only meant that life would be sad with no peace or goodness in it, dont you agree ?

I have children, thank you And they are as beautiful as their mother

If you showed me something in your hand that I couldn't see, and you were positive and insistent that it was there, I have to honestly say that I would eventually come to believe you. Don't laugh, I really do mean it. I know people who have seen things that others cant (or haven't), I myself have seen a ghost, and am completely convinced that that's what I saw. And that is why I feel the burden of proving God exists doesnt lie on me.