Quote Originally Posted by Ignatius
The burden of proof isn't on me Mud Dauber, it's on you.

There is no proof for a God, only faith.

That's the point I'm making, and I'm doing it without showing any anger. Perhaps you think if you keep saying it I'll lose my temper? I don't know how else to put it. I'm maybe being forceful in my opinion, but it's an opinion that I wholeheartedly believe in. All I ask is that my atheism is afforded the same weight as your faith. I'm not missing out, there is beauty all around us, just that I choose to ascribe it to something other than God.

I stand by what I say about The Bible and the various interpretations of it. Each religious group uses it to justify their own position. The same people use it as a justification for killing one another. I see it as an argument between various groups of people as to who has the best imaginary friend.

Just out of interest, I wonder how many wars have been fought in order to promote atheism. We all know the answer to that one..it's zero. As for God sending thse bad things so that we can learn from them... how about he sends us a bit of peace and goodness in his name instead? I think I'd learn a lot more from that. I think we all would.


There is no God, just people. It's up to us how we deal with that fact.

I'm not asking you to believe it though...
I'm afraid I fail to see how the burden of proof lies solely on me, and not you.

You say you aren't "an angry young man" and that you see beauty all around you, and then you ask why doesn't God send a bit of peace and goodness in his name instead. That tells me that you have never seen or experienced peace or goodness. If that is true, then what a sad life you have had so far

In talking about wars fought for atheism, I confess I dont know of any right offhand. But look at people like Stalin, and Hitler, and Mao, and many others like them. They too killed people for thinking differently. And I don't think they did it in the name of religion