Argument supporting god...?

[FireyBudBurner]

Yea the whole better safe than sorry thing isn't even worth me typing anymore about it, sillyness.

[JaggedEdge]

"I'm guessing you are one of the people who said it. I didn't mean it as an attack on you, the only point I'm trying to make is by saying "better safe than sorry" it appears to an outsider like me that ones faith isn't as strong as anyone elses."

That's why I use this in my defense when I'm asked to consider logic in a "Does God Exist" debate. Where is the logic in choosing death over life? If what I'm saying is true, why risk it? You must be VERY confident to go against logic in this case. You guys could keep preaching, cause it's comforting to hear that if I'm wrong, I'll end up with you. I'm glad to hear that you believe everyone is going to a place where there is no pain. Oh really, then why does everyone fear death? I'm gonna use some logic here. I'm gonna put myself in a win win situation and believe in God. And do you know the way there? Jesus is the way, the truth and the life. To each his own. Peace

I agree that it would be great to spend an eternity in complete bliss, but if that isn't the case I've come to except the possibility of just cease to exist. I'm not worried one way or another, if I die and there is a divine entity that is responsible for all this, I'm not worried about eternal damnation. I'm what a good "christian" should be, minus the belief in god. I'm not worried if there is a god and I'm wrong. I don't think he his so self centered he needs me some peon (sp) of his creation bowing down before him. If there is something that intelligent and that divine, it makes no sense to me it would be that egotistical or even concerned. I'm agnostic, I don't have enough facts to make a final decision, but I'm not going to spend a life time worshiping something I'm not sure exists. From my stand point I can lead a good life as I see fit. No need to worry about masterbation or premarital sex, etc.

Honestly, if there is a god, and he feels he needs to be worshiped and is going to "punish" me for lack of faith than I don't care to ever meet him.

[FireyBudBurner]

Nice final sentence JE, very true, blunt a too the point.

[Ignatius]

I couldn't follow the strange logic of your argument "Idontgivenames" However, your cheap shot at atheists leads me to believe there probably isn't anything worth finding. As an atheist I take exception to your assertion that I must have led a deprived existence. I certainly don't feel left in the corner, I'm out there looking for answers. The answers to life's questions are to be found (for my part anyway) in scientific reasoning, and not in some dusty old book appropriated by people who wished to exercise control over the populace. That's all religion is to me, a way of controlling people. Having said that I accept that religious faith offers great comfort to people, and I will not begrudge that. Please, respect my view as an atheist as I respect your faith (whatever it may be) I don't ask you to become an atheist as it matters not at all to me, why is it so important that I follow your faith? There is no evidence that God exists, none whatsoever. The only evidence is The Bible, and that really doesn't stand up to scrutiny. It's a matter of faith, and I have none in God. I believe in humanity and science. That is what drives the wheel of progress, not God. I agree with Jagged Edge here. If God exists then why is he so keen for me to worhip him? All this guff about a "jealous God" is so obviously a ruse to keep people frightened of thinking for themselves. Can't you see that? I guess not...

[Mud Dauber]

You still havent answered my question, Iggy

Im actually one of the Society of Friends, Quakers to you all :thumbsup: I'm not here to argue or convert, unless you want me to I will say this, though, as it is my opinion, even though its probably setting me up for massive abuse (ha ha ) - I believe that the opposite of faith is disbelief. Faith is natural, disbelief is willful. The spiritual state of faith is love and acceptance. The spiritual state of disbelief is desperation.

But, to each his own, it doesnt matter to me what other people think.

[Ignatius]

God created the Earth and heavens in six days.

Science says it took a fair bit longer than that.

There's something for you to be chewing over for the time being whilst I think of something else.

[Mud Dauber]

I can counter that by saying what is a day to God ? Is it 24 hours ? Is it a million years ? Who knows ?

I prefer to think of time as an abstract notion

[Pass That Shit]

Keep putting your faith and trust in science for answers. The unbeliever puts his faith in man (science) and the believer puts his faith in God. We'll all have to wait to see what's to come. Keep in mind that science will not help us "if" there is a judgment to come.

By the way, God is outside of time. He created time. By creating the Sun and the Moon he gave us the two lights that we use to calculate time. Science DOES NOT disprove the timing and manner in which things were created. Soon time will be a thing of the past, the day will come when the sun will NEVER go down. There shall be no night there.

Let's stop the non-sense about the christian being the one who wants to convert the unbeliever. The unbeliever feels the same exact way about the christian, so let's not kid ourselves. We are all in the same boat here. Just because we're not in spiritual agreement, we don't have to judge who is the better person. I think this forum is for us to "share" our "beliefs", and to ask and answer questions others may have.

[sm0k1t]

Let's stop the non-sense about the christian being the one who wants to convert the unbeliever. The unbeliever feels the same exact way about the christian, so let's not kid ourselves. We are all in the same boat here. Just because we're not in spiritual agreement, we don't have to judge who is the better person. I think this forum is for us to "share" our "beliefs", and to ask and answer questions others may have.

amen to that :rasta:

[Ignatius]

Here's the rub, it seems as if Christians will happily quote sections of The Bible at folk all day long to back up a belief system. Yet when I ask about the six days to build heaven and earth it becomes an abstract concept, free to be interpreted in any way that suits?

It's either the word of God, or it isn't. iI it is the word of God then the Earth is only six thousand years old, Adam and Eve lived side by side with dinosaurs, Jesus walked on water, and that trumpet really did make those walls fall down that time in Jericho. On the other hand if it is a book that is open to interpretations then we might see how that very same book could be interpreted by all kinds of people, for all kinds of reasons.

It's not such a big leap to take.

I don't know about anyone else, I'm happy to let people be whatever they want to be with regard to religion. It doesn't stop me thinking it's a load of old hooey. I didn't say that I didn't like the people, I'm just saying the belief system is a system based on faith alone. There's nothing rational or reasonable about it. It has no logical basis in fact.