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    #171
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    Argument supporting god...?

    jesus this.
    moses that.
    abraham hit me with a wiffle ball bat.

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    #172
    Senior Member

    Argument supporting god...?

    Galatians 3 :20
    Now there is no mediator where only one person is concerned, But God is only One.

    READ Please
    1 Corinthians 8 :4-6

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    #173
    Member

    Argument supporting god...?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ignatius
    God doesn't exist.

    If he does then why doesn't he show himself? It's no good others telling me he does. Right now we really could use him. If he exists why doesn't he come here right now and show us. No ambiguity, nothing like that. Just show up and make sure everyone sees he's real, then he can go back to wherever he came from and we can all worship him for ever and ever amen.

    It's not much to ask. Instead of that we are asked to rely on a book which is open to thousands of interpretations. Religion is the cause of nearly every war in the world right now. Surely God should show us a sign? Let us know he's around.

    There is NO scientific reason to believe in God. It is purely a matter of faith. You'll not find me knocking anyone's faith, but it's anything but scientific. I believe in science. Science tells me that if I stick my hand in the fire I get burned. And guess what...it's true. Science tells me about gravity, and I can prove that right now. I just threw a ball in the air, and it came back down. Now God...he tells me (via a book) that all kinds of things are going to happen, or have happened. And guess what...none of it can be proved. It's all about faith, and I have none. An entirely rational position. I think faith is irrational, by it's very nature it must be. God asks you to have faith and belief, good for you if you have it, but I'm not buying it.

    Mud Dauber, I've explained this again and again so this really is the last time. I think you are trying to yank my chain, good luck with that.

    Here it is again, in the simplest terms I can put it. If I tell you that there is a man in the corner, and you can't see him, then it's down to me to prove that he is there. It's not down to you to prove that he isn't.

    The thing about poker... it's not fixed, I make a decent amount of cash from it, and I work another job as back up. It's certainly possible to win money at poker if you play the percentages and you understand what those percentages are. There's no real mystery to it. Online is pretty good, but I like a face to face game in the casino. There's a lot of players there who think that poker is all about smoking a big cigar and trying to stare the other guy down...just like the movies. We call them fish, and I'll eat them all day.
    (Serves me right for trying to cook dinner and reply at the same time, my session timed out and I lost everything I had typed ! So here goes again)

    "God doesn't exist." "If he does then why doesn't he show himself?"

    You said you had empirical evidence that God doesn't exist. What experiments have you done to prove this ? Are you familiar with quantum theory, or the spacial fourth dimension ? Do you believe in such things, even though you have never seen either, or proof of either ? I am surprised at someone with your alleged intelligence (I say alleged, as I don't know you) saying that none of the events in the Bible have ever been proven. Are you not familiar with history, or with archeology ? Both have proven that elements of the Bible are true, mostly in the New Testament. Many of the people have been proven to have existed, as with the places and events. Many of these accounts were written by people who did not follow Jesus.

    You believe in science, you say - archeology is a science, too. Is it not just as important as physics ? Or chemistry ?

    You said earlier that you have faith in humans. What kind of faith, faith that they are going to step on you in every fashion so that they can get what they want ?

    I'm not trying to yank your chain Iggy - I'm just trying to find out why your brain works the way it does.

    Is there any empirical evidence that poker can support a family ?

    Let me tell you something, as I would like to see what you think of this. I have a friend that I've known for eons. Her mother took her to church sporadically as a child, but she stopped going probably around middle school. She had a very difficult childhood, and went off the deep end several times as a teenager. She ended up being a stripper, a crack head, and a rape victim, which resulted in pregnancy. I was her only loyal friend through all this. She was never a religious person, in fact she shunned the church, just as she shunned her mother and stepfather. Fast forward many years, and she is driving home in the middle of the night, down a two-lane road in the country. She lost control of her car going around a curve, and went into the woods where she hit a tree. She was nearly decapitated, broke all of her ribs, and completely crushed her left leg. I drove a hundred and fifty miles to visit her in the hospital, and saw her in traction with an ear-to-ear gash that had missed the jugular by a fraction of an inch. When she got out of the hospital months later, she sat me down and told me exactly what had happened. She said that when the paramedics came to cut her out of the car, she was sitting in a tree above them watching the whole thing. She reminded me that she was never religious, agnostic at a stretch, and went on to tell me that while she was sitting in the tree, watching her broken body bleed, that she felt the presence of God "sitting" right there beside her on the limb. She said he told her that she was going to be okay, and although she was "ready to go" with him, he "put" her back into her body. (I'm using the words she used, she said there wasn't really any way she could describe it properly) Her doctors performed surgery on her for 12 hours, and told her that they were completely astonished that she lived.

    What do you make of that ? Brain farts ?

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    #174
    Senior Member

    Argument supporting god...?

    LOL, did it hurt?

    Krogith, you want to generalize and jump around cause you're avoiding his word. Why don't you stay still and talk about one point and I'm sure it will come to the light.

    You still avoided everything I said to you. You won't be able to prove your point with sound doctine. You will have to "teach" what it means instead of just repeating the sound words that can't be condemned. Like you said earlier, your instruction is to be out teaching heathen. I don't know where you get that from, but I think it turns into $$$ for your leaders. Jehovah Witness go door to door to talk to people. Bring in the members. There is no true religion out there. The oldest church standing today is a synagoge. The only people with religion in the bible were the jews. All current religions have been started by some man. We are built upon the apostles and prophets and Jesus is the corner stone. We don't go and start a new religion. We are the living stones that get added to that holy temple.

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    #175
    Senior Member

    Argument supporting god...?

    Are your reading the scriptures I'm citeing? I'm backing up what im telling you with bible facts.

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    #176
    Senior Member

    Argument supporting god...?

    [quote=Krogith]Galatians 3 :20
    Now there is no mediator where only one person is concerned, But God is only One.

    You don't even understand what you're saying. I'm the one trying to tell you that Jesus is God. You are the one trying to say that Jesus is a mediator. God is one. Jesus is LORD.

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    #177
    Senior Member

    Argument supporting god...?

    Jesus is lord over us by means of his father. Through Jesus we can draw close to what God wants us to be doing. Through Jesus ( his death and by following what he did) we can recive everlasting life from his Father Jehovah (yhwh). Your makeing jesus ( a creation) equle to God wich he is not. Jesus is our Lord and saveur. Your takeing a Title like president and saying it's god.

    Jesus was 1st of all creation. He is Jehovah God's son, and lord of all other creation because hes Jehovah God's master Worker. Through Jesus all other things were created. But it was still Jehovah god's will. Jesus can't do anything with out Jehovah God's say so.

    If you choose not to look the scripts I cited for you Thats on you.

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    #178
    Senior Member

    Argument supporting god...?

    Why did Jesus say that the writings of Moses were his words? Answer: Cause Jesus is the Word of God. Just like it says in the book of John. In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. And the word was made flesh and dwelt among us.

    "And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory."

    When was God manifest in the flesh?

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    #179
    Senior Member

    Argument supporting god...?

    Quote Originally Posted by IanCurtisWishlist
    jesus this.
    moses that.
    abraham hit me with a wiffle ball bat.
    Let the sinning... Begin.

    I don't have faith in religion primarily for one reason.
    Krogith said it.
    "We are being challanged by Satan. He says we do not need God and we can be god's of our selfs."
    If I were to somehow beleive that I truly can't be a god of myself, I would feel there is no point to my life. My absolute inner-most incentive to live is that I hold my reality, my future, and maybe even my possible after life in my hands.
    To be handed the rules of existence and reality on a platter, all neat and simplified, with a nice big fat "All You Need Is Faith", defies the very core of my rational mind. It would destroy the fabric of my sanity to beleive in religion.
    I've always seen religious people as beneath me. They're either sheep, lazy, or cowards. It's for simpler people.
    The whole story seems so silly to me. Like a fairy tale. Honestly, if it wasn't for the style it was written, I prolly would have read the bible front to back like various other fantasy novels in my collection.

    I am my own God.
    Religions influence on mankind has done nothing but bad. If you ask me, Faith is Satan. The bible was written by evil. The higher powers are looking down on our planet, with a sad grim expression on their face.

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    #180
    Senior Member

    Argument supporting god...?

    Quote Originally Posted by Pass That Shit
    Why did Jesus say that the writings of Moses were his words? Answer: Cause Jesus is the Word of God. Just like it says in the book of John. In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. And the word was made flesh and dwelt among us.

    "And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory."

    When was God manifest in the flesh?
    Jesus lead a perfect life and was the word of god. In the beginning The word you speak of WAS THE WILL OF GOD this is saying that no matter what happend his Word will happen. Just because Satan has bumbed us God Word will still rule and suceed. Jesus was of course The Word of God He spoke and tought in the SAME WAY GOD WOULD OF. His Words would be the same as if God Was speaking. He tought Exactly as his FATHER IN HEAVEN WOULD. Read carefully all the scriptures. And seriously goto some dead sea scroll references or another old translation.

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