yep, i used the pen technique. ill post a jay i roll by hand later, but that was the only one i had around on my desk. i smoked that with a friend today, it was his first time. he was trippin HARD at first, but then he calmed down and ended up enjoying it. i think it was a bit much for his first tho, he didnt know where he was for the better part of an hour . he was damn lucky he had me there to get him to chill, i only blanked out for about 20 mins then started sobering up a bit.