Senate Passes Torture Bill

[Hamlet]

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/15053727/

[graymatter]

Why not just threaten to bathe and shave them?

Seriously, are these interrogation methods effective? I've heard people say yes and no. Either way, I don't think it's the best example to send if the goal is to spread and protect democracy and freedom. We don't allow ourselves to go there with our own rapists and other domestic sadists (I know, I know... why not). And it creeps me out to think we have government people conducting research on the response reliability of, say, water boarding.

[Dutch Pimp]

..poor young American soldiers...they have been studied...by everyone in the world. How? ...American Hollywood movies. We watch them..but... so does the rest of the world. Everything from Sgt York to Blackhawk Down. They know him ..like the back of their hand. This is not to their advantage.... "charlie" cong was like that..too.

[Myth1184]

We can trash the Constitution for Bush's convenience and throw out Habeus Corpus for a 'tough on terror' political campaign--just in time for November elections.

US LAWS APPLY TO US CITIZENS, THEY DONT APPLY TO UNLAWFUL COMBATANTS/TERRORIST, NEITHER DOES THE GENEVA CONVENTION

Using your method of reason, some1 from amsterdam would argue hes allowed to smoke pot in the us since he can do it in his home country. Think before you post

[Hamlet]

Think before I post? ....maybe you're right. Nothing I could post would possibly compare to the intellectual gymnastics and acute reasoning of your reply, but I do my best with what I've got.

But here's what I think anyway. Without Habeus Corpus you are an enemy combatant because anyone says so. Pakistan is yanking hundreds of people off the streets left and right, turning them over to the U.S. with no evidence of any wrongdoing whatsoever, and collecting millions in bounty money. People are being thrown into prison and tortured for months and held indefinitely without legal representation.

They just released some poor schmuck engineer from Canada after two years of abuse because someone decided he might know someone, who knows someone.

This is Orwellian 1984 shit. This isn't us. We're not war criminals....We don't torture people.

[graymatter]

Think before I post? ....maybe you're right. Nothing I could post would possibly compare to the intellectual gymnastics and acute reasoning of your reply, but I do my best with what I've got.

But here's what I think anyway. Without Habeus Corpus you are an enemy combatant because anyone says so. Pakistan is yanking hundreds of people off the streets left and right, turning them over to the U.S. with no evidence of any wrongdoing whatsoever, and collecting millions in bounty money. People are being thrown into prison and tortured for months and held indefinitely without legal representation.

They just released some poor schmuck engineer from Canada after two years of abuse because someone decided he might know someone, who knows someone.

This is Orwellian 1984 shit. This isn't us. We're not war criminals....We don't torture people.

Well said, Hamlet... but Myth has a one way radio, transmits but doesn't receive... sort of like the assholes he voted for.

[birdgirl73]

That's right, isn't it? I remember now. You told me about that, too, Gray, after an earling pwning Myth got once, as I recall. And now Hamlet's given him another simple, far less wordy pwning than that previous one, which was on another topic. And off Myth'll go . . . no doubt returning to traipse the halls of a presigious Ivy League academic institution before he returns again to impress us with his intellect here.

[Breukelen advocaat]

US LAWS APPLY TO US CITIZENS, THEY DONT APPLY TO UNLAWFUL COMBATANTS/TERRORIST, NEITHER DOES THE GENEVA CONVENTION

Using your method of reason, some1 from amsterdam would argue hes allowed to smoke pot in the us since he can do it in his home country. Think before you post

Myth is right about this. Personally I would argue that the Taliban and Al Queda captured in Afghanistan should have been killed, in greater numbers, but the interrogations that have been carried out may have prevented further attacks on our soil.

Let's be honest: a conventional, legal trial for them would have been a circus, making us look bad, and stupid, in many ways - not to mention leaving us wide open for more of the same attacks. We made a mistake supporting them in their battle with the U.S.S.R, and they turned on us by allowing the people from outside to use them for jihad against us. This was more than outrageous, it was unforgivable. After they drove out the Russians, with our training and equipment, we continued to give the country millions a year in foreign aid - and we were thanked with thier providing a base for the people responsible for attacking and , eventually, 9/11. They don't deserve the Geneva convention.

[halo]

The constitution was created to protect the rights of OUR citizens. I don't think it was in any way meant to protect those from foriegn lands that mean to harm OUR people. That falls more towards the Geneva Convention and the guidelines on how to deal with "Prisoners of War". Which country do these terrorists represent again? I'll still vote for the bitch slap.

Have a good one!:thumbsup:

I could have sworn somewhere it said INALIENABLE RIGHTS GRANTED TO ALL MEN.

[Hamlet]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MoRjbIQMXGQ