Making Cannabis Butter:Discussion.

[darthnader]

Enjoy your butter. I usually make oatmeal or snickerdoodle cookies since they seem to taste the best. Chocolate chips are good but you can taste the butter more.
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One concern I have about oatmeal (I could be wrong) is that oatmeal is "healthy" because it absorbs fat. It is a soluble fiber. So I would assume it would be harder to digest the fat in an oatmeal cookie, which is why oatmeal is so healthy. That's why I eat a bowl of oatmeal with my bacon. I'm sure you would enjoy it, but it probably isn't optimal.

Check out the mixes -- Krusteaz has a few like Chocolate Chunk and Sugar Cookie that are ideal. Peanut Butter is my favorite, but it uses oil instead of butter, due to the solidity of peanut butter. Not sure how good it would come out if you used butter instead of oil. I'm sure you can do this same recipe with oil, but I think it's harder to extract the finished product. Some claim oil is better because it has more fat that butter. Whatever... I'll go with what works, and this WORKS!!!

[420Somehow]

has anyone used a double boiler, or would it take to long. how about a pressure cooker to make butter/oil?

[darthnader]

Good point. I followed the directions and baked at 375, but I have a convection oven, so it automatically adjusted it to 350. I'll do 325 and add a few minutes. That said, the cookies I made are totally sick!!! But what you said makes complete sense to me, and I'll try it next time. Maybe I'll make even sicker cookies. Shudder to think!

Kids -- make sure to try your cookies at home before you bugger off to some concert. I'm glad I did this. I would have BUGGED OUT!

Trying half a cookie tonight... Also, make sure you have an empty stomach -- at least 2 but preferably 4 hours after you last meal is when you want to eat your cookies or croissants or whatever.

I also read about some people make huge bowls of pasta and put the butter on top. Not the most efficient thing. Something small and rich, like a cookie, will be best. In fact, eating the butter straight would be best, but it's not always practical and doesn't travel well.

[darthnader]

Hey guys, word to the wise. Try out Coconut Oil. It is a special kind of fat that your body burns differently than vegetable oil or butter.

YES! Crock pots are the way to go. However a double boiling kind of situation works well too.

And YES! keep that stuff steeping on a low heat as long as possible. I'll try to remember to take pics next time I make butter, but the stuff is usually so dark green it looks BLACK!

Freeze your trimmings before you grind 'em up, too.

Coconut oil is great! It is a medium chain fatty acid, so it actually speeds up your fat metabolism. It also is hard under 70 degrees, and turns liquid over 70 degrees (so it won't clog you arteries, but if you make a cookie, it should stay firm and solid).

But, man, you have to be eating a lot of this stuff to get fat from it. I'm more concerned with the carbs than a few teaspoons of butter. If you make the butter strong enough, you shouldn't need to eat a lot. I had 1 large cookie yesterday afternoon, and I was flat out fucked for 12 hours. It was actually unpleasant at points!

[darthnader]

I have been cooking my butter for 8 to 10 hours and the results have been very satisfactory. I use 2 oz of good trim for each lb of butter. The butter has been very successful but the cream has been awful. It was so bad it made the ice cream almost inedible. It is totally chronic though. Adding more sugar and berries could still not kill the taste. Anyway the butter is easy. Just melt the butter and add the trim bring to a simmer then cover turn down to the lowest setting for 8 to 10 hours. Strain with cheese cloth.

You're forgetting the most critical thing here -- the water!!! Don't forget the water. It keeps the butter from going over 212 F. The first time I made cookies, I used good ingredients, and they didn't do shit... Why? I just put butter and herbs in the pot, and as careful as I was, butter "boils" at some 350-400 degrees, so it completely ruined the herb.

The genius of this method is that it will never ever overcook the herb.

That, and someone else mentioned that whatever you bake should be < 300F. Word! I will do that next time, but the cookies I made yesterday are so sick, it almost scares me that they could be sicker.

Speaking of which, does anyone notice flatulence? I mean, I do tend to fart, but I am farting like crazy today. I wonder if this is a GI side effect, or it could be something I ate yesterday. Yeah, around 7-10PM, I pigged out. I had the worst case of munchies -- it was like when I was a teenager.

Jeeze Bob -- I can't thank you enough for this wonderful recipe and the other great ideas I read here!

[darthnader]

has anyone used a double boiler, or would it take to long. how about a pressure cooker to make butter/oil?

About half of the recipes I see use a double boiler (search Google), and that will do what you need -- prevent the butter from overcooking. However, if you are going to do it the right way -- simmer it for 22-24 hours, you don't want your butter just sittin' around uncovered on top of a double boiler.

Most of these recipes are for 2-3 hours. For me, it's hard to say whether 2-3 hours is good enough. The old recipes I used that claimed this didn't produce good results, but they also had me putting the herb directly in butter, without water to keep the temp at 212 F. A mixture of butter and water won't get over 212, so that's why they add the water. Once you put it in the fridge, the butter solidifies and you just pop it right off.

That said, I think the recipe that is the subject of this thread is the best way to go. Trust me -- if you mix the butter and water and simmer it, it will be very good. Just cover it and let it go low and slow for 22 hours.

Also, use quality ingredients. I have never ever gotten off on the cookies my friends have made with their enormous amounts of trimmings. I used to think eating it was just a hoax -- maybe you get a mild buzz. That's all I ever got until I followed these directions. Now I make scary-ass cookies.

Jeeze, even the half cookie I ate 40 minutes ago is starting to hit me! Have mercy! That makes the economy of this even more impressive. It is actually cheaper than smoking and better for your health.

I'm telling you -- if you use quality ingredients and follow this recipe, you will get your money's worth and more. Eating herbs is extremely efficient -- actually more so than vaporizing, but vaping has an immediate onset. Eating herbs is best on an empty stomach, so you have to plan it out. I know some fat people that are constantly eating, so it would never work for them.

That said, vapes are the best. If you can't take it with you and need to be sly, cookies are the next best thing.

[darthnader]

One idea -- if you are set on not adding water to the butter or oil (I guess with oil it makes sense -- it will be harder to extract from water, but you can probably do it in the freezer):

Use a candy thermometer. You can get one at most supermarkets for $4, and they clip on to the side of a pot. Then you can keep your oil < 300 F.

Keep in mind -- if you are using straight butter or oil and use "simmering" (small bubbles) as an indicator, that's too hot. Oils tend to bubble at > 400 F.

I just think the recipe posted here is as good as it gets. You have guaranteed results with this method, so long as you use good ingredients.

Good God -- even 1/2 a cookie is starting to hit me hard right now, and the peak is about 30 minutes away (usually peak is 90 minutes after eating, and tends to last 2 hours). And I'm just using peppermint!

[letstalkPrimo]

I happen to have made a video on the subject. Check it out. I'd post it here if I could. It's at Let's Talk About Pot and Cannabis and Medical Marijuana in the Video Archive section.

Primo

[rudy2010]

[quote=darthnader]You're forgetting the most critical thing here -- the water!!! Don't forget the water. It keeps the butter from going over 212 F. The first time I made cookies, I used good ingredients, and they didn't do shit... Why? I just put butter and herbs in the pot, and as careful as I was, butter "boils" at some 350-400 degrees, so it completely ruined the herb.

Darth - information is always good. You have a great point. My stove has a really really low low setting. The cookies, candy and other items I make with my butter are incredibly stronger than anything I can purchase at any dispensary I have been to. They may be making as strong of butter but they have to be using less in their recipes or something. When I make cookies one cookie will rock your socks or put you to sleep if it is in the evening in 40 to 75 minutes. Some folks claim to feel it in 20 minutes.

I have purchased brownies and lemon bars that the folks swear are good for 2or more highs but I eat the whole thing and it is not near as strong as one of my cookies.

For me I just find the water leaves a black goo at the end of the process. If I use just butter there is still a little black goo but not near as much.:smokin:

[zebu111]

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