Quote Originally Posted by UnitedWeFall
mrdevious - I quite agree with you on a lot of what you have said. However, I still praise Jesus, and see him as the only way into heaven. Are you saying this is wrong? Do you believe in heaven and hell? Please tell, i'm curious, what are you beliefs on the afterlife?

Saying this is wrong? not really. I don't believe this is right, but enjoy a good debate over logic and philosophy. I don't actually expect to convert anyone to my beliefs, merely to engage in constructive debate. I find I gain as much insight into people's beliefs as I express my own.

Heaven or hell, I don't believe in in the traditional sense. Whether or not consciousness continues beyond death I don't know, but I think the most plausible idea would be that "heaven" or "hell" would be of our own making, that the afterlife would exist as our consciousness in and of itself.

I also believe, under the assumption that there is a god and Jesus did everything the bible claims he did, that Jesus would not be the only way to god. Besides, does anybody like the idea of a god that sends those to hell who are good, because they praised his name but not through a particular profit? Rather, I think Jesus said he was the only way to god because he was the only teacher of an enlightened path. Other available philosophies in the region, like paganism, would technically not be a path to god. Surely god, being all knowing and all loving, is less concerned with you praising him for the only visible purpose being an ego stroking, and more concerned that you take whatever path is necessary to become the type of good person he would want you to be, thereby creating the type of soul that is suitable to join him in heaven.


Yeag, I honestly don't think that poorly of you, the last thing I wrote was last night. To explain, yesterday I was in a shit load of pain so I pumped myself with tonnes of trammadol after a 5-day abstinence. I got an immensely euphoric high all day (along with a really damn itchy nose, and that stuff does), then proceeded to hit an equally immense low with the innevitable dopamine drop that comes after hours of drug-induced pleasure. I still think you might want to work on being a more friendly member of the community, but you're certainly whelcome with me and the rest of us here. Not to mention i've been stuck in the shitty-mindset before myself and ended up outright mouthing people off over the web because of my own problems. I'm sure we've all been there, I really hope you don't get stuck there for too long, 'cause it's a shitty way to be alive that nobody needs.