NEWS FLASH 420,000 Armed American CAnnabis Revolutionists to march the capital!

[gill145]

I think my life would make a decent sitcom. I am very anti-government and anti-military. My roomate and best friend wants to be a career politician, and my sister, is in the army. My dad's a close-minded redneck, and my mom's a hippie.

I think that would make a good script for a sitcom, don't you?

[Oneironaut]

True anarchy is CHAOS.Because TRUE anarchy is to have NO order or law whatsoever except the law of "everybody do what ever the fuck you want to"which includes rape,murder,theft and other assorted mayhem.
You aren't an anarchist,you just want to be the one on top of whatever heap we have at the time.

Anarchy is not chaos. Anarchy is the absense of rulers (it comes from a Greek word meaning "without rulers"). Your rulers have taught you that without them, society degenerates into chaos. And you bought it. Anarchists realize that people are capable of preventing and responding to rape, murder, theft and other assorted mayhem by means of non-hierarchical, democratic organizations where there are no rulers and followers, just people running their own society.

Obviously you have never actually studied anarchist ideas before, or read what actual anarchists have to say about crime. Murder and rape are NOT okay, because they are instances of you imposing your will on another person without their consent, which is what anarchy is all about abolishing!

[wayoftheleaf]

im a conservative liberal.
I am also a democratic republican.

oxy-moron much?


I am very anti-anarchist. Because i believe in the edge of chaos theory. The theory states that we live on the edge of chaos. By living on the edge we are able to grow and create. For the chaos shows us other ways and ideas of thinking. if we are ruled completley by law we b egin to go away from the edge. without the chaos for us to see, we stop being able ot come up with new ideas. if government and order are abolished, we will be sent tumbling into chaos.

[benagain]

ok, I've not got anything again anarchists or anything beleive what you want, but I do have some questions. Just understand that I'm trying to learn about your beleif and I'm keeping an open mind here, do the same for me if you don't mind.

In an ideal anarchists society, how would one handle a situation of rape or murder or other 'crime'. How would you define what a crime is? Say old billies wife down the road is found dead. What would happen to old billie? He says he wasn't there that night. Who would investigate? Who would punish billie for it if he did do it? Also, say there is a feud between neighboring families that's reached murderous levels. How would the dispute be handled?

I've got a million other questions, but this is enough for now. I'm just trying to picture how all this would work in real life. Educate Me.

[Oneironaut]

In an anarchist society, a crime is an act in which you impose your will upon another person. Murder, rape, assault and slavery would be examples of crimes. Prostitution, drug use, public nudity, downloading songs off the Internet, and any sexual activity between consenting adults would not be considered a crime because it does not involve the violation of anyone else's freedom.

If somebody did commit a murder, presumably the community wouldn't just sit around and do nothing. They would get together and do something about it, and chances are what exactly would happen would vary from community to community. Most likely they would assemble a team of experts who know what they're doing to investigate the crime and determine the causes of the crime. The evidence would be presented to the community, and if there is sufficient evidence to accuse Old Billie of the crime, he would be dealt with according to the situation at hand.

An attempt would be made to find the cause of the crime, its true root causes, and attempt to address that. If the criminal is just crazy, perhaps mental rehabilitation is needed. If he knew what he was doing, perhaps he should have to pay some kind of retribution to the victim's loved ones. It's going to be a sticky situation no matter what, government or no government, because nothing can bring the victim back and make things right again. The best we can do is study cases of murder and try to find out why people kill others so we can prevent the conditions which lead to such situations.

The point is, I guess, that there is no inherent benefit to dealing with such situations in a hierarchical way. Communities can take action democratically and defend themselves from violent criminals without having leaders and followers. What is it that the government will do in the interests of the people but the people themselves will not do in their own interests? Clearly public order and the prevention of unnecessary violence are in the people's best interest; they will not forget this once they achieve a non-hierarchical form of social organization.

[napolitana869]

One of the main aspects of anarchism is abolishing the institutions that cause inequality which most crime stems from. Some of these inequalities are class, race, religious, age, sex, and gender. There are others but I’m high and can’t think of them off the top of my head.

[yabatab]

In an anarchist society, a crime is an act in which you impose your will upon another person. Murder, rape, assault and slavery would be examples of crimes. Prostitution, drug use, public nudity, downloading songs off the Internet, and any sexual activity between consenting adults would not be considered a crime because it does not involve the violation of anyone else's freedom.

If somebody did commit a murder, presumably the community wouldn't just sit around and do nothing. They would get together and do something about it, and chances are what exactly would happen would vary from community to community. Most likely they would assemble a team of experts who know what they're doing to investigate the crime and determine the causes of the crime. The evidence would be presented to the community, and if there is sufficient evidence to accuse Old Billie of the crime, he would be dealt with according to the situation at hand.

An attempt would be made to find the cause of the crime, its true root causes, and attempt to address that. If the criminal is just crazy, perhaps mental rehabilitation is needed. If he knew what he was doing, perhaps he should have to pay some kind of retribution to the victim's loved ones. It's going to be a sticky situation no matter what, government or no government, because nothing can bring the victim back and make things right again. The best we can do is study cases of murder and try to find out why people kill others so we can prevent the conditions which lead to such situations.

The point is, I guess, that there is no inherent benefit to dealing with such situations in a hierarchical way. Communities can take action democratically and defend themselves from violent criminals without having leaders and followers. What is it that the government will do in the interests of the people but the people themselves will not do in their own interests? Clearly public order and the prevention of unnecessary violence are in the people's best interest; they will not forget this once they achieve a non-hierarchical form of social organization.

You have done your research we will just have to disagree on the
whole idea of government and anarchy. I find myself defending
the true anarchist ideas a lot, people are misinformed on what
most anarchist believe and you did a great job at explaining it.
Most people think anarchy means no rules and a free for all on
crime which isn't true.

[napolitana869]

Civil disobediance is still disobediance. Beat the shit out of em'!

I was beaten at a protest and I didn't do a damn thing that was agaisnt the law

[hammertime]

how about 420,000 people march to the capital everyone pulls out a blunt sits down and starts smoking, and we dont leave until its legal.........govt officials and local news would be talking about how many terrorist we supported by buying our weed, and while they are talking shit about legalization,they suddenly get a contact high from the large cloud of smoke that has surrounded the capital and all take vote then and there to legalize growing and smoking pot.....................then they change the national anthem to sublime "smoke 2 joints" and we all march off happily ever after.....................this sounds like a good plan to me, just set a date and time and ill be there chillin like a fuckin villian

[wayoftheleaf]

i like his idea ^^^