Quote Originally Posted by UnitedWeFall
Argh - the fact that some people believe that everything in the universe happened by chance just astounds me!
The fact that people believe that evolution, or any other non-theistic process, works by a big one-in-a-trillion-chance POOF! ACCIDENT! astounds me.

Regarding some above posts, meaning and logic are not the same thing. You can't really say our universe is utterly "illogical" because it doesn't have a permanent meaning. Everybody seems to be clinging so hard to the illusion of permanence, when all observation shows us everything in our universe is impermanent. When the logic of a structured universe is dependant on "meaning" and a permanent existence, is the conclusion really logic, or desire?

Regarding the higher-up post, leaving a computer station would indeed never give results and leave us a complex computer program. But this is strawman-type fallacy I've seen countless times. Cellphones that can't design themselves, computer programs that can't write themselves, houses that can't build themselves etc. These analogies are working under the assumption that a process in one thing, must apply to ALL things, which just doesn't work. Cellphones, programs, houses, and individually wrapped slices of cheese all have one thing in common: they lack the organically-inique (and proven) biological mechanism of genetic mutation. Scientists have thoroughly explained, and to some degree pressented, how genetic codes can indeed write themselves. Not off some blank slate by some one-in-a-trillion accident, but through gradual changes and additions at the smallest levels happening over billions of years, through trillions, upon trillions, upon trillions of organisms. When two cellphones pass on their genetics, let me know.

and yes, I know many people will probably flame me for "not respecting" people's belief in god, but I don't see it as that at all. People are going to post countless threads here about the existence of god, and no doubt atheists will post a few about the non-existence as well. If one view is allowed so is the other. And if people are going to argue reasons for their being a god, I see no reason why the other can't be debated, that's the basis of philosophical discussion.
mrdevious Reviewed by mrdevious on . Is it just me or... Is it just me or as there just as many if not more pepole on this forums supporting athiesm? Whether or not god exists is not the point im trying to make here, Athiests believe that the human mind can support itself without the belief in a higher power. I myself firmly believe the bible. However i am willing to go to hell on the premises of childish spite. This shows i am not willing to make a decision yet am adult enough to come to terms with it. Yet if you believe after you die you are Rating: 5