Is it just me or...

[wayoftheleaf]

I am an incredibly devout christian. yet to do or believe anything is illogical. Because everything is subjective like i said. everything can, and WILL, change. So believing in anything is simply illogical. yet i believe in christianity because i know there is a life after death. This is not a statement, it is a fact. I know that we have souls and that they pass on when we die. I believe in heavan and hell. Noone can grasp eternity, for we are mortal creatures. But eternity is not subjective. it is the only logical thing. time and space. Those are the only two things not subjective. You can believe there will always be space, and there will always be time. i can see that not many people here are familiar with the ripple effect. let me put it this way, if one bacteria had zoomed left, when it should have zoomed right, out of the primordial ooze, we wouldnt be here. everything affects everything eventually.

[mrdevious]

So if I'm reading that clearly.... belief in anything is illogical, unless it's belief in what you believe. er... I'm sorry, what you KNOW. Obviously you've convinced yourself so thoroughly that you couldn't possibly be wrong of these facts. I tip my hat to you good sir, oh master of all infallable logic.

[Krogith]

space and time would be gone if Jehovah decided, for he created them
what do you say to that? you are just looking from a physical point of view. From dust you came and dust you will return ( there no everlasting soul)

[fikusroot]

How do you know Jehova exists? You wouldn't even know about him unless someone had told you about him. How do you know he created time? Because you read about it in a book written by men? Even if you believe that Jehova used man as a vessel for his teachings he is still using the imperfect body of man. Men lie. There is no proof but you believe in Jehova or whatever because it makes life easier on you. Do not flame me. In your eyes im going to hell and I know that so spare me and dont "feel sorry for me." Just think about what I've said and if you still have faith (which you probably will) then congratulations to you. I truly wish I could be brainwashed into believing in a God and I do not mean that sarcastically.

[smoke it]

Argh - the fact that some people believe that everything in the universe happened by chance just astounds me!

im just putting in my two cents, not tryin to convert anybody. here it goes...

i went to one of those church classes for kids awhile back when i was twelve, and the dude there said the chances of there being other life is like 400 quadrillion to one, so there must be god. i said to him as far as we know, the univnerse is a big, never ending expanse, at least in this lifetime, right? he said yes. i then said if the chances are 400 quadrillion to one, and the universe never ends then there should be trillions of other planets with life on them, there are just incredibly spaced out, right? shut his ass right up. so according to what we (the public at least) know now, there must be life out there. the chances (according to our current information) of life being there are much greater. that makes more sense to me then god ever will

[fikusroot]

Well, I'v found nobody that can give satisfactory justificaton for real religion. It's like if somebody sees the color red. They know what red looks like, they know it's called red. What do you think they're going to say if somebody comes along and gives them 3 million reasons why red isn't red? They will ignore it becuase to them, red is red and that's good enough for them. You may plant some seeds of doubt, but in the end it is far more convenient to believe in red.

[Krogith]

there are 2 options no god or god. the 1st means in the end nothing matters. the latter means he would have a means or way to draw close or get to know him and his plain. you can pick ither or thats fine both came from nothing right? I choose to have a path instead of the life = nothingness. you have to pick ither your life matters and there is a god that wants to draw close to you and help you learn about him and his goal for mankind, or you randomly poped up, and so what ever you do it is all for nothing because in due time humans will distroy this earth and well all be more dust in the universe.

[fikusroot]

Well, as you chose the path of probably more happiness, I chose the path of truth or at least the most truth I can find. I used to fall back on ignorance but I think now I've accepted that there is not god. we're here be it by god or whatever and that's all that matters.

[wayoftheleaf]

I am not even close to cinvinced my beliefs are true. There are so many different possabilities than what i have listed. Now on the premises that god lives OUTSIDE of time and space, then yes he could get rid of them. But i think that god is the god of THIS plain. and he exists on a higher plain. I believe there are many other plains(dimensions) other than this one that we live in. each has its own set of rules(physics) that must be abided by. I believe that god wrote the bible through mortal men. but at the same time, mortal men wrote it. And on a subconcious level man wants to be remembered after he dies. So he tells stories greater than they really are. i believe the morals and principils of the bible. For athiests, i believe the bible is a good way to live your life. Even if the athiests dont believe in God.

[fikusroot]

But good and bad are all relative creations of man that constantly change. I agree that christianity in theory is a very good life model but then again, my definitions of good aren't necessarily true.