Ethics/911/The butterfly effect/Etc.

[psychocat]

The effects of the nukes America is so proud of (sick IMO) are still being felt today in Japan.
The effects of testing in the US with GIs far too close is also a skeleton America would rather see remain in it's closet.

Please don't try to bullshit as I find it tiresome to have to keep pointing out flaws in peoples logic.

[Breukelen advocaat]

The effects of the nukes America is so proud of (sick IMO) are still being felt today in Japan.
The effects of testing in the US with GIs far too close is also a skeleton America would rather see remain in it's closet.
Please don't try to bullshit as I find it tiresome to have to keep pointing out flaws in peoples logic.

The war was shortened after the A-Bombs were dropped. That was the only way to make the Japs surrender. They didn't give up after the first one, so we had to go back and give them another taste.

[Krogith]

the march of satan... hey BA go back to waterboarding suspects who could be inocent, We are makeing reasons to hate USA stop your Hate

[graymatter]

I agree, BA, and I'm not proud of having used nuclear weapons. It was that or suffer 1M dead GIs in a land invasion of Japan.

I'm fond of "Mutully Assured Destruction". It's a brilliant way to keep large armies from invading one another...

Bong, you're wrong about Vietnam and Iraq... both were/are moral and practical failures. And the one arm tied behind the back in Iraq was all Rumsfeld... he bullied his agenda for a quick war through the pentagon, not even considering the prevailing military wisdom of using overwhelming force.

[Bong30]

I agree, BA, and I'm not proud of having used nuclear weapons. It was that or suffer 1M dead GIs in a land invasion of Japan.

I'm fond of "Mutully Assured Destruction". It's a brilliant way to keep large armies from invading one another...

Bong, you're wrong about Vietnam and Iraq... both were/are moral and practical failures. And the one arm tied behind the back in Iraq was all Rumsfeld... he bullied his agenda for a quick war through the pentagon, not even considering the prevailing military wisdom of using overwhelming force.

I have been saying MAD in about 10 threads...thanks for selecting just Bullshit to point out.

How was I wrong? Iraq.....was done totally wrong. Rumsfeld can fuck off. He is an Idiot.

My view is they need Iraq...To keep Iran from turing the whole area back into ancient Pursia.

Ill go slow

Saddam was a sunni.... he kept the Fucking Radical piece of shit Shite at Bay...... He "Saddam" was not good, but better than Iraq Now....

Iraq could be a Place where Shite and sunni could live with Jews and Catholics all together....... But, There minds are too small. They (iraqi People) cant see the big picture. Under Saddam it would have Never been a Place of Peace....

DO YOU GUYS FORGET KUWAIT? SADDAM IS STABLE?????...STFU

During BUsh 1, Schwarzkopf was told NOT to March and take Bagdad, we left them with about 20% of there Milatary. Just enough to Keep Iran at Bay.

This is where, one place... Osama Bin Laden drew his hate for us...USA soldiers on Saudi Arabia Land....give me a fucking break. You should be able to wear a slayer shirt to Mecca.....Fuck Mecca.

The Insurgents are......drum roll please......are the Iraqi people. 10% -20% are from outside the country.

The rest are Regular Radical Muslims who just want us dead, Now, Later Yesterday, tomarrow.

Even If we didnt Go into Iraq.....Radical Muslims...(See friday prayers in IRAN)
Would have Brought hate and death to the west.

NOw we Need to end this Bullshit.

Shall I go into the 12th Imam? NO.... Just Digest above for a while.:thumbsup:

[graymatter]

I have been saying MAD in about 10 threads...thanks for selecting just Bullshit to point out.

How was I wrong? Iraq.....was done totally wrong. Rumsfeld can fuck off. He is an Idiot.

My view is they need Iraq...To keep Iran from turing the whole area back into ancient Pursia.

Ill go slow

Saddam was a sunni.... he kept the Fucking Radical piece of shit Shite at Bay...... He "Saddam" was not good, but better than Iraq Now....

Iraq could be a Place where Shite and sunni could live with Jews and Catholics all together....... But, There minds are too small. They (iraqi People) cant see the big picture. Under Saddam it would have Never been a Place of Peace....

DO YOU GUYS FORGET KUWAIT? SADDAM IS STABLE?????...STFU

During BUsh 1, Schwarzkopf was told NOT to March and take Bagdad, we left them with about 20% of there Milatary. Just enough to Keep Iran at Bay.

This is where, one place... Osama Bin Laden drew his hate for us...USA soldiers on Saudi Arabia Land....give me a fucking break. You should be able to wear a slayer shirt to Mecca.....Fuck Mecca.

The Insurgents are......drum roll please......are the Iraqi people. 10% -20% are from outside the country.

The rest are Regular Radical Muslims who just want us dead, Now, Later Yesterday, tomarrow.

Even If we didnt Go into Iraq.....Radical Muslims...(See friday prayers in IRAN)
Would have Brought hate and death to the west.

NOw we Need to end this Bullshit.

Shall I go into the 12th Imam? NO.... Just Digest above for a while.:thumbsup:

Thanks, Bong, I'll take ancient Persia over WHATEVER THE FUCK the west has to offer the middle east.

BTW My thoughts on MAD are my own... don't get pedantic with me.

[birdgirl73]

Whassup, Gray, baby? You still over here arguing with the bombasts? I'm taking a new approach, singing a new tune on that. Gotta stick with the intellectual, unemotional debaters, I've decided. There's not really any rationality with the others. You're a brave and tolerant man!

[Bong30]

Gray why dont you Take your academic ass to Iran and fight for it.


Your MAD thoughts are your own.....Just when I post about MAD you say nothing.....BUT all of a sudden. You think a light went above your head.....




OHHH Yeah I will say Fuck any time I like...I dont fucking care what you think about me.

I would rather be My kind of smart, than your kind of Stupid.


Do you ever wonder what im thinking? I might miss spell some words and I like to space out my thoughts so it is easy to read, but am I communicating my point effectivly.

See gray I have Deep Layers of thoughs in My head, and I have Never in My whole life have been able to put those into words, on paper...yes even in college.



BG... I have enough emotion for all of US, when Is it going to spill out?
My Job BG is to Protect my family. So I get pissed when Radical Piece of shit Muslims want to end life the way I know it...not as much for me, but my kids.

Illegal imamgration is the other hot topic for me.

So is child molestation, Health Care, Social Security....Family related stuff

So now im over trying to be the person that doest cuss or say anything that Is unPC.

Fuck it im done.

So you might just want to put me on Ignore.

[4252]

Wow! I've been away for a while; I posted this same topic on another forum, and the discussion opened a floodgate, as they say.

I appreciate the responses here; and I don't think anybody's completely right or wrong. A few points;

1. I'm no historian, so I don't know who started this. I wasn't there during the Crusades, etc. So, I'm going by today's events. The Moslems chose to kill innocent women, children, and so on with sneak attacks and suicide bombers. We (the Christian West) may not have strapped bombs to ourselves and gone down to the local mosque, but we have our own methods of pissing people off. So, no protestations of complete innocence, please.
2. We must defend ourselves, no choice in the matter. I'm no martyr either.
3. The Pope is new on the job, and I think he should have kept his mouth shut about the nature of Islam. They're apparently crazy enough to use a derogatory cartoon for an excuse to kill. If somebody drew a picture of Jesus wearing a turban shaped like a bomb, I'd question their historical accuracy, but wouldn't be interested in killing them. Only a true nutcase would have that kind of response. Anybody who'd stick his foot in his mouth like that, knowing full well that it wouldn't serve any purpose other than to inflame the emotions of already unstable people should go back and take Common Sense 101 again. He obviously didn't learn anything the first time. We don't need one more big mouth adding to the chaos, we need better armor on our vehicles.
4. This is as real a war as it gets. It's funny, but the word genocide hasn't been used much so far. I think that's what they have in mind for us.

and finally;

5. If the majority of the Islamic people were really peacefull nice warm fuzzy types, they'd at least be criticizing their extremists, maybe even trying to make them back off in the intrest of sanity, instead of dancing in the streets when our guys get killed, letting the "minority" of criminals in their midst get away with the shit their doing, and generally not doing much to convince us they give a damn about the sanctity of life and the rights of others to pursue their (different) religious beliefs. If that's true of Islam; Fuck Allah, Fuck Mohammed, and Fuck the Middle East altogether.

Oh, and Fuck any organized, militant, agressive religions, who've twisted their doctrines to meet their immediate needs as well; ours too. That's the root of the problem anyway. Did Jesus say to oppose every non-believer, or did he say to love one another?

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[Krogith]

how wise all we can do is listion to jesus and know that SATAN's system of things will distroy it self, do not give into hate and love your neighbor. Pratice peace and know God will bring about Peace not MANKIND