OPINIONATED?

[psychocat]

Violence breeds violence and if the so called most advanced country in the world can't see that then I really think they need to think what is so advanced about the ability to kill hundreds of people indiscriminately?
Bombs kill anyone in the neighbourhood and you can't tell me that it knows only to kill the bad guys because the civilian and child victims of this "war on terror" (LMFAO) are still mounting up, how civilised is that?
The manipulation of foreign countries in the interest of America is what makes enemies for America, the 10 million dollars used to undermine the duly elected "communist" leader of a neighbouring country just because the US is paranoid for instance.The assistance given to Pinochet.

In 1983, at the height of the civil war in El Salvador--as U.S. military aid and advisers were flowing into the tiny Central American country in proportion with the innocent blood being shed by government forces and their death squads--Mauricio, then a biochemistry teacher at the El Salvador University, was yanked out of his classroom by men in civilian clothes.The goons handcuffed, blindfolded, and beat him in front of his students, then took him to a clandestine torture center at the National Police Headquarters, where he was interrogated and tortured for a week and a half. The security forces overseeing his interrogation accused him of being a guerrilla commander--a charge Mauricio steadfastly denied.Mauricio says he was one of the lucky ones: He lived to tell about his ordeal. Many of his colleagues and co-workers were killed by security forces or death squads.Now, Mauricio and two other survivors of torture and rape at the hands of Salvadoran security forces have filed a civil suit in a U.S. district court against two Salvadoran generals who now reside in Florida. The complaint against the generals claims that the former defense ministers, as overseers of El Salvador's reign of terror, "bear personal responsibility" for the crimes perpetrated against the plaintiffs, as well as the "pattern and practice of systematic human-rights violations committed in El Salvador from 1979 to 1983."

The "crimes against humanity" charges against the generals are not unlike the ones that have been brought against Milosevic, yet the United States has not been quite as gung-ho in assisting with the case against the Salvadorans.

That's to be expected: After all, the terror apparatus that these men controlled would not have been possible without the help of the United States, and this inconvenient fact no doubt has dampened the will of U.S. officials to see justice served in Mauricio's case or any other that might involve its former clients in El Salvador.Or those in Chile, Argentina, Brazil, Ecuador, Bolivia, Uruguay, and Paraguay. When the military leaders of these countries decided to team up in the 1970s to wipe out leftist elements throughout South America, they also were assisted by the United States in the form of training, intelligence, and arms.The brainchild of none other than former Chilean dictator Gen. Augusto Pinochet, this international wave of state terror--dubbed Operation Condor--swept up people like Martin Almada. The Paraguayan schoolteacher was kidnapped by security forces in November 1974, after completion of his doctoral studies in Argentina. Almada was interrogated and tortured by a group of military officers that included several foreigners.

Puzzled by the multinational composition of his captors, he soon learned from other prisoners--including a Paraguayan police officer and a well-known Argentinian leftist--about Operation Condor.After an Amnesty International campaign helped win his release, Almada moved to Paris and began research to find out the identity of his captors, as well as the cause of his wife's mysterious death. He eventually turned up documents and diaries mentioning Operation Condor, which he handed over to the Spanish judge who would later indict Pinochet on charges of genocide, torture, terrorism, and abduction.Almada's research, as well as other recently declassified documents, suggest that high-ranking U.S. officials, including Henry Kissinger, were kept informed of Operation Condor activities. (Judges in Chile, Argentina, and France have summoned Kissinger to answer questions about his knowledge of Operation Condor.)

Almada says his goal is not to embarrass the United States, but he, like Mauricio, demands accountability. "We want to find the truth, that's all," Almada says. "Then justice will come. We are thirsting for justice--not vengeance."

Unfortunately for the US not all people fucked over by the US goverment are as forgiving as Almada

[Hamlet]

--- Oil? Oil??? Have you SEEN the price of gas? I mean c'mon, you can make a very plausable argument that buisiness in weaponry is the cause, but oil?? I don't really think you understand the argument you're making.

*sigh* Oh yes, I've seen the price of gasoline lately...and the record profits each quarter for Exxon. I worked for Exxon back in the 80's on the colony oil shale project in Colorado. Indirectly that is...I worked for a small exploration drilling company who worked for Brown & Root (<that name ring a bell? Halliburton?), who worked for Exxon. The Government was pressuring Exxon to develop the massive amounts of oil shale there. It was estimated that it would cost 3 billion dollars to get production up and running.

Exxon went in and blew money like a drunk sailor on saturday night. All cost plus, safety first to an extreme that was crippling, everyone was paid higher than Union wages to keep the unions out, plus living expenses, plus free housing. Our small company had brand new equipment for everything, new 4x4's, new drills, forklifts, dozers, the works...all paid for by Exxon. I could tell you stories of obscene waste, like when they had me dropping 5k survey equipment down a hole only to be uselessly lost, and without blinking, they would buy another just to be lost again.

Exxon spent 7 billion on the half completed project and told the Government Oil Shale was just too expensive to mine. They shut the job down overnight without a warning to the thousands of people employed there, devastating the local economy and leaving a ghost town. Exxon collected nice fat subsidies from the Federal Government footing the bill for their genuine efforts.

( And in return they make sure their friends in Washington get elected. You can't begin to grasp the power and wealth Exxon has until you've seen it in action. --geez, I probably just sent the Illuminati crew into a seizure)

This is business as usual for the oil companies. This is how they operate.

The rest of my statements and your rebuttals speak for themselves I think.

In the words of Torog....have a good one.......

[birdgirl73]

Hamlet, Hamlet, Hamlet. I do believe I love you, Hamlet. Thank you for spending your time arguing solid, credible points. I no longer have the energy or the inclination. But I do love it when you do. . . . Thanks.

[Bong30]

Hamlet, Hamlet, Hamlet. I do believe I love you, Hamlet. Thank you for spending your time arguing solid, credible points. I no longer have the energy or the inclination. But I do love it when you do. . . . Thanks.

Neither Do I BG........I Just say Fuck this, Fuck that I cant even hold my tounge for you BG.

Hamlet.....Exxon profits.....

Guys this is how over it I am......

I say lets (us regular living paycheck to paycheck americans) Start sniping the CEO, CFO, of the oil companys ONE BY ONE till there profits are less than the GDP of most countrys.....



In China Stealing GAS, is Punishable BY death...... I say stealing Money from us with GAS...Is punishable by DEATH

Start SNIPING CEOs and see what the prices do..........


WORLD................... I AM OVER IT.

I DONT GIVE A FUCK IF I CUSS... I DONT CARE ABOUT PC....... GLOVES OFF.