OPINIONATED?

[Mark Bryan]

OK, Mark and everyone else. Here's some interesting info that may make this disagreement easier for everyone to take.

The 500 munitions of mustard and sarin? Yep, they were indeed found.

And Bush's remark that there weren't any WMDs found since 2003? Yep, that happened too. The thing is the mustard and sarin munitions were recognized immediately by the inspectors and experts as old, rusty pre-1991 mustard and sarin canisters, precisely the type Saddam used on the Kurds and others Iraqi citizens his Ba'ath Party went after, but definitely not what the inspectors were looking for to indicate evidence of a continuing WMD program after the end of the first Gulf War. It was that last part there, the continuing program after 1991 or 92, that Bush II predicated the invasion of Iraq on. And that's why Bush willingly admitted they didn't find what they were looking for. The old canisters they did find still prove that Saddam was both a liar (he said there weren't any weapons at all) and a brutal killer of his own people, at least the ethnic minorites he didn't like.

Here are two reasonably objective pieces about these two different parts of the story in case you're interested:
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,200499,00.html
http://www.csm.ornl.gov/PR/PR2004/NS-07-12-04.html

Thanks for a WELL BALANCED response! I wish I had time to dig this information up! I hope psycho considers this!

[Bong30]

We should have just said, we are going into Iraq to fight radical Islam.


Damn thats not PC though....Fuck PC.

[Mark Bryan]

We should have just said, we are going into Iraq to fight radical Islam.


Damn thats not PC though....Fuck PC.

Good point!:thumbsup:

[psychocat]

Thanks for replying, Psychocat! Sounds like you play with higher stakes chemicals than a first-year med biochem student. Yikes. I'm sure you already are, but please continue to be very, very careful.

Thank you for your concern , I am flattered.

I love my playthings but also realise the danger of not being extremely careful at all times. :thumbsup:

The biggest problem with what has happened in Iraq is that by removing Saddam all the factions that were shit scared of him have come out of the woodwork and all hell is breaking loose .

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/5368360.stm

I would've expected better of Britain after all the years they spent trying to police Northern Ireland with military might, have we not enough to do to sort out our own countries before "dictating" to others how to run theirs.

How soon the Brits forget http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/4661753.stm

The Americans too http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timothy_mcveigh

[Nylo]

[Hamlet said the Following]

I could post a hundred pictures of thousands of little girls with their guts blown out!--BY US! All because they were in our way of the OIL!

--- Oil? Oil??? Have you SEEN the price of gas? I mean c'mon, you can make a very plausable argument that buisiness in weaponry is the cause, but oil?? I don't really think you understand the argument you're making.

Radical Islam is made up of primative cultures who would still be shooting each other off the backs of camels with flintlock rifles if it wasn't for the oil under their sands. All a war on Islam accomplishes is to create more radical Jehodists waiting to die for Allah.

---- Should we have not attacked Nazi Germany because it would have created more Nazis? How is that justice? How does that even make sense? You're impression of radical islam is very contorted. As war technology continues to increase it it's fatality you can damn well bet these fanatics will get their hands on it unchecked. You can't just say "we'll let them duke it out" and expect the problem to go away.

We're not even fighting a war. Our soldiers are policing and getting blown up while factions fight a civil war with each other.

---- That's a portion of the war effort; do you read up on this stuff very much? I'm not questioning your sincerity, but I don't think you really understand the scope of the war on terror as it's being fought. It's also in intellegence war, we're tracking down where terror funding comes from and where it goes. We've caught countless terrorists and taken much information from them. I have no idea how you came to the conclusion that stopping their money flow is a bad thing for the war goal.


We are fighting 'the worst war ever' though, as you said in another thread. It's one that the politically powerful are waging against their fellow citizens, the Constitution, and the rest of the World. All for more wealth and power.


----I heavily disagree. Somehow in your mind you think that terrorism never existed before 9/11. You think that all this hate magically came into reality when the United States went to the Middle East. These people have to be stopped before they're allowed to accuire high-fatality weaponry. Don't you get that? You can't just cover your eyes and wish it away. These people wanted you under their long before you even knew they existed.

I can hit middle-ground with you and compromise that yes, we have to be very careful with how the government re-adjusts it's power to fight this war because it can go too far. But you also need to recognize that the reasons for these changes aren't fabricated. The threat of Islamic Jihadists is very real, the problem with modern liberals is they have the ambition to fight internal threats, but not a damn drop to spare for fighting external threats.

[Krogith]

go back for the last 2000 years stop being so small minded to not think that america because of it's instrest in OIL has caused and created a good reason to hate us. we fund and suport them then use them as tools to impose more US power? how does that make any sence.


AND if you read our constitution WERE SUPOST TO LEAVE OTHER COUNTRYS ALONE!

[Bong30]

go back for the last 2000 years stop being so small minded to not think that america because of it's instrest in OIL has caused and created a good reason to hate us. we fund and suport them then use them as tools to impose more US power? how does that make any sence.


AND if you read our constitution WERE SUPOST TO LEAVE OTHER COUNTRYS ALONE!

You are so dumb...............

if we are to leave other countrys alone... why did they kill 3000 of us on 9-11, and all the other attacks in the Name of radical islam.

London, Spain, India...and so On

If all we wanted was oil, why didnt we just make iraq our 51st state and take all the oil? Cause its not all about the oil. some yes all no.


Krogith why dont you just get the fuck out? MOve to Iran or something.

[Krogith]

YOU STILL THINK IRAQ DID 9/11? are you kidding me bong ?

[Bong30]

Radical Islam did 9-11....fucking Idiot.



Krogith if you were here i would kick your ass just for being as stupid as you are... I cant handle it

[Krogith]

and sadly we took it out on the iraq people and now this RADICAL idoit group has more joining them because of what THE USA IS DOING!

because thoses (SO CALLED) people down the street from you are doing something you thing we should blow your house up to just because?