The Definitive Green Dragon (Revised, Updated, Combined)

[khysanth]

Ok, here are a few updates.

I measured what I had again this morning, and it couldn't have been more than like 5ml. So I found some of the weed still in the coffee filter in the trash, and put it in with more 151 in a water bath.

I didn't use a thermometer this time, but just eyeballed it and kept it lightly simmering. It evaporated at a much better rate, and then I strained and added this to my previous 5ml.

I ended up with probably 10-15ml.

I added enough 151 to this mixture afterwards to dilute it and bring it to about 30ml.

The significant other and I just took 1ml of it on an empty stomach. We put it in 1/2 a beer. Will let you know if I was able to salvage this batch. I think I'm already feeling something, and it has been like 15 minutes.

Happy 4/20 everyone. If this doesn't work I'll just toke on the other 2.5g of Snowcaps I have saved away.

[khysanth]

Ok.

Tried 1ml. Nothing.
Tried 2ml. Felt a little something for about an hour or two.
Just gave my roommate 4ml to try, I don't want to use them until later. I'm guessing it will be the sweet spot.

So it wasn't a total waste. I know to get one of those measuring cups instead of the steel bowl to simmer in the future. Anything else I can do to improve this?

[Coelho]

Well... 1/8 (=3.5g) of weed dissolved in 30ml of alcohol is a bit more than 0.1g of weed per each ml of alcohol.

I dont know the amount you usually smoke, but i need at least 0.5g to get high (damn mids ), so if i were drinking your green dragon i would need 5ml of it.

Also, drinking it requires more weed than smoking it, as the absorption is way slower and so the effects are "diluted" in a large amount of time... so i would suggest you to drink anything between 1.5-2 times the amount you usually smoke to ensure a enjoyable experience.

[ky1956]

I also cook it down into something I can smoke instead of drinking it. It works well.

misslilly, this sounds intriguing, could you please elaborate.

[misslilly]

misslilly, this sounds intriguing, could you please elaborate.

Just wanted to let you know I have not forgot. Just been real busy and I'm not very good typing. But I'll be back very soon.

[Gnostik]

I made a batch of this last night, and I have to say... uh... wow. :thumbsup:

After baking at 325 degrees for 5 minutes, I made it with 190 proof ethyl alcohol (industrial grade Everclear). I did 2 extractions: the first with 3 oz of alcohol, and the second with 1 oz.

I ended up with about 1.2 oz of GD, and it's pretty nice stuff. I took 1/2 ml last night, and it was real smooth and mellow. I took about 3/4 ml a couple hours ago, and I'm finding it real hard to type this post... :hippy:

I love this stuff. Thanks, and hats off to Master Wu, and everyone else who contributed here.

(Oh, and this is my first post here, so, "Hi, everyone!"

[misslilly]

misslilly, this sounds intriguing, could you please elaborate.

Hey ky1956, sorry to take so long to get back. Just getting started with hydro and have been very busy. But anyway. Basically I do the Green dragon and just let it cook down until the alcohol and what's in it evaporates off. I use a small crock pot to do the cooking and it works well. Add hot water to the pot and I don't have to wait so long for the pot to heat up. I did it quite a few different times trying different things. The first time I tried it, it came out great but had a bit of a time trying to get it that way again. I had a couple pounds from an outside grow and the weed was not that great. So I had plenty to play with. It would not come out good so I could just grab another 1/2 ounce and try again. The first time I used about 1/8 that I had decarbed and some scrap from some hash making. That was what was left on my 105 micron screen. Not great hash but still had a lot higher percentage of thc than the weed. Again that batch came out great. A very smooth smoke that would melt but if you were careful you could smoke by itself in a pipe with a screen or mix some weed with it. It was not so sticky that you could not handle it. You could pull off a piece and put it in with not much problem. After that one I wanted to try again. So I tried several times with just some weed (not decarbed) and did not come out very well. The extraction process would take everything out of the weed, and I do mean everything!! Under a low power microscope what what was left looked like clear fibers. Probably the thing I noticed the most was the chlorophyll. If left it on the heat to long it would smell and taste burnt. And was just a sticky mess to work with. But at the time I was not in a place where I could do a decarb and try it. But when I finally did it came out much, much better. The decarb process of vaporizing what ever it is that comes out did the trick. After that the last time I made hash I took just the scrap from the 105 screen (no decarb) and tried that and again it came out great. So through many experiments my findings are that the quality of the finished product has to do with the percent of thc in relation to the amount of vegetative matter. You can do it without the decarb process but the thc has to be high. Or the other crap has to be cooked off first with a decarb.. But it seems to be a very efficient way to extract thc. Unlike say ice water that only get the balls and leaves the stalks (I read that the stalks have the 2nd highest percent of thc on the plant). This method gets it all out. And also the last time I did it, when it seemed like all the alcohol was gone I put it in the oven at 170 for a little while and then in the freezer. I do it in a small pyrex dish that I can scrap out with a razor blade. When cooking it down it will still seem kinda wet and sticky but will harden when it is cooled. And if anything it seems like a good way to take a low grade hash and make something good out of it. Any questions just let me know.

[Coelho]

Well... decarboxiling the weed usually increases its amount of THC (unless the weed be already completly cured), so it makes the final product stronger. I dont know why people skips this step, as it is a way to get some more THC for FREE!

And misslilly, adding some water to the dish with hash oil when scraping it makes the scraping way easier... the water makes the hash oil stick much less to the dish. If you use water at the right temperature, its possible to scrape completly the hash oil, and leave absolutely nothing in the dish. Too warm water makes the hash oil soft and sticky, and too cold water makes it hard and sometimes even brittle. But adding small amounts of warm and cold water until reaching the ideal temeprature, the hash oil can be made soft enough to be scraped without any effort and yet hard enough to stick to itself better than it sticks to the dish, allowing you to make a ball with it while you scrape it.

PS. The hash oil is insoluble in water so this process wont cause any losses of it.

[misslilly]

Hey Coelho, well when I'm done cooking it down it's not really in an oil state. I can scrape it off the dish pretty easy. Sometimes it is even kinda dry in spots when done and can be rolled into a ball without sticking to your fingers at room temp. As long as you don't play with it to long of course. But the water does sound like a good idea to try. The last few times the weed was well cured when I did it, 6 months or more. I'm not sure but wouldn't the decarb have to due with eating it and not if it is going to be smoked. With the heat causing the THCA to be converted to THC? Which is what will happen when I smoke it? It's just that when I decarb it, it seems to vaporize a lot of the unwanted stuff or convert then in some way as to not end up with a sticky mess when I am done. I can tell for sure that it gets rid of a lot of the chlorophyll that is in it.

[Gatekeeper777]

Can this be done by just grinding up stems and leaves up in a food processor and putting them into a ball mason jar and dumping 151 on them, seling the jar for 1 or 2 months? The alcohol should break down the cellular of the THC.
and make it easier for absorbion right to the blood stream.