Transition

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I don't think this will go anywhere ate. I don't think you can give the strictly defined word choice that some members will require for understanding within the scope of what you're talking about.

What you said is likely. I'll still try.

Its rough, because I think I'm sympathetic to what you're trying to say, but even I take a step back and think that you might be confusing insight for
enlightenment.

How so? I'll say that I'm sure this is not enlightenment, and I'm sure this is not insight alone, so could you fill me in one why you think it is? Thanks.

In answer to your original query, I think the higher plane idea is a lot like gods and demons and all that good stuff. Meant to make a point, but not necessarily to be taken literally.

For one. Please explain why you think gods and demons fall into this. Show me WHERE those concept fall into this. Then I will tell you where I think they fall into this. I am not aware of this being a symbolic reference for archetypical understanding, it's something else, you can say for sure.

The evolution of enlightenment. Eventually things get better on their own...? I wonder.

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