The Chicken Killers!!!

[sawleaf]

if you cant treat it humanely, then dont eat it. its that simple.

How can you humanely eat something then???

[GHoSToKeR]

umm.. what?


that guy said its not 'financially viable' to treat animals humanely so he just eats it anyway, coz theres nothin to do.. so i said, 'its not financilly viable to treat humans humanely either, but we still do it'.. we spend billions and billions and billions tryin to make our lives more comfortable.. so why not do the sdame for the animals? if ur gonan eta them, survive off them, then why not pay so that they can at least have a normal life before theyre slaughtered?

[Imotep]

by allowing the animal to exhibit natural behaviours-chickens can scratch and forage, pigs can wallow and have freedom of movement. these behaviours can be utilised as part of integrated agricultural systems. destructive behaviour like scratching and rooting up plants can be put to work by clearing previous crop residues, clearing inscects, aerating/working up soil. Pay them with fallen fruit and bugs for doing the spraying and ploughing for you.
And swift clean kills have never been hard.
its a win win situation, except for the agri-buisness consultant.

[Imotep]

umm.. what?


that guy said its not 'financially viable' to treat animals humanely so he just eats it anyway, coz theres nothin to do.. so i said, 'its not financilly viable to treat humans humanely either, but we still do it'.. we spend billions and billions and billions tryin to make our lives more comfortable.. so why not do the sdame for the animals? if ur gonan eta them, survive off them, then why not pay so that they can at least have a normal life before theyre slaughtered?

im surprised there are animal activists at all when there are so many humans being treated inhumaneley.
priorities?

[sawleaf]

Probably because animals don't work and pay taxes. It doesn't make sense to pay more money to have these animals live normal lives. The normal life for a cow is as meat. Where are all the wild cows? Our country is is serious debt. Why would we pay to have these animals live normal lives. I know it sucks for them, but they are seen as just a product. The companies just want the cheapest way to get meat processed and shipped.

[Imotep]

companies. thats the problem. we cant go to the market and buy direct from the farmer, or even farmer direct to the butcher.
the centralisation of slaughterhouses though does help with management of a billion tonnes of offal.
too many middle men eat all the profit. the farmer gets paid after the abbatoir,the truck driver, the butcher, his apprentice.
the ag consultant.
the rural supply store.
the bloke at the servo.
but then where will all the jobs go?
we'll all have to become small scale farmers.
why work to get money to buy food when you can work creating food and knock off for a siesta everyday?
i know ludditism isnt the answer, but it provides some clues.

ps record 4 pages. active thread!

[JohnnyBravo]

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[maryjanemama]

WOW...who would've guessed the Chicken Killers thread would've gotten so many posts? I want to ask how many veggies are vegans? I'm not, and I wear leather, but I explained my position before.

I don't think ppl realize the talespin our country's economy would be in if everyone suddenly became a vegan. Around here dairy production is our number 1 industry. My husband is a deisel/farm mechanic. Cows pay my bills.

What is your position on cows in the dairy industry. Btw, cows cannot survive without human help. They have become almost domesticated and would freeze in the winter if they were left outside. Also, in the summer, cows graze outside, and rarely eat corn or hay until winter when there is snow on the ground.

[RESiNATE]

Cows pay my bills.

Cool...err, but they have hooves! How the heck do they count out the cash!

Or do you just pin the cheque to their ear, or summat - or their cow-bell...hmmma bizarre system you got going there MJM

The bottom line for me is this; as long as the animals have a good quality of life, then I'm cool about it - there is no need (except of course economics) to mistreat animals...remember 'Planet of the Apes'...hmmmm

The sooner that accountants are forbidden to run things, the better.

[Bro DZ]

as long as we use money, we can never have a utopian society. Shit, because mankind is geneticly greedy, we will never have a utopia to live in. Besides, we will all be dead for hundreds of years before any major changes in society like the elimination of cruel animal breeding/butchering happen. Its admiral that people want to save em and all but isent it mankinds right, being the dominant species on the planet, top of the food chain, to manipulate lesser creatures for whatever purposes we see fit? (i kinda want to see this thread spiral outta control, up into the 8+ range LoL)

uh, but to my point. I agree that money is the problem if thats what Res and Imotep and Sawleaf are proposing