Anti American

[Mark Bryan]

You bash America at will. You see a topic about something that happens in America and you attack America. You make up things about history in order to cast America in a bad light. Without question you are anti American.

here is one example Under Current Events
American Indians Confront Bikers
I looked in expecting to see posts like "it's a sacred ground to them, the bikers can go elsewhere or it's a free country and no one has a right to public land"

Instead here are your anti American posts
"IMO It was their country first before any of the so called Americans of today laid claim to something they had no right to."
You insult us with "so called Americans". Your post added nothing rational to the topic.

"The issue at question is the USA's treatment of modern Indians not ancient ones."
The issue was about bunch of bikers and you irrationally twist that into the USA's treatment of modern Indians. Guess what? Bikers dont represent America

Right after you make the statement "treatment of modern Indians not ancient ones."You say "The planned rally is just an ongoing example of the disrespect shown to the original inhabitants since settlers arrived there". So now it IS about ancient times. You're really out there.

The proof is in the pudding and you've got a bowl full.

HA! Try a SATELLITE DISH and a SHOVEL! Good job at exposin' this guy!:thumbsup: :thumbsup: TWO THUMBS UP DUDE! SMOKE A FAT ONE!:rasta:

[Mark Bryan]

What I say I stand by and since the country you call home has existed for only 200 odd years the fact remains that it was stolen or coerced out of the hands of the ORIGINAL inhabitants.

As a descendant of the settlers of Jamestown in 1607,I have to respond to this! The FIRST settlers came to Virginia to get away from the repressive policies of the papacy that plagued Europe and England. Jamestown was SETTLED not stolen! We didn't start the wars with the Powhatans,they attacked FIRST!Pocahontas (Matoaka) saved the colony and Smith MORE than once,'cause she didn't see us as the enemy and eventually,she was excommunicated from her tribes by her father himself! Sure there were a few bad apples in the colony,and John Smith (who arrived in chains after bein' falsely accused of mutiny) dealt with those people and kept the colony from goin' under until his gunpowder injury 2-3 years after he arrived! It wasn't until AFTER he left that things started to go wrong,but the original colony wanted to live in peace and only wanted a narrow piece of swampland,which ended up bein a bad choice to begin with!

If you believe that the treatment of the modern Indians has been anything but disrespectful then you really need to check your "facts".

I won't defend what we did to them except in cases when WE were attacked by them! As for guys like Custer,he got what he deserved in my opinion!

I believe most people are just trying to get on with their lives with as little fuss as possible , however we all have a duty to speak out if we believe something to be wrong.

I'll agree here. That's what I'M doin'!

If all this makes me anti American then so be it .

You ARE entitled to YOUR opinion!

[Oneironaut]

I'm guessing, based on what you said above, then, that you're quite comfortable with your anti-American sentiments even if you can tolerate the individual population.

What "anti-American" sentiments? I have nothing against Americans. I am no more anti-American than I am anti-Vietnamese, anti-Colombian, anti-Portuguese or anti-Ethiopian. I just hope someday we can get rid of these silly "nations" and come together as a single species.

I felt tremendously sad to hear you say you'd readily burn an American flag

It's just a piece of cloth...a piece of cloth which represents an unjust social system and fosters nationalism. A better idea might be to pile up all the flags of the world's nations and burn them in one big pile. In providing heat they would finally serve a useful purpose.

or celebrate if the president were assasinated. Do you really mean that about an assassination?

I certainly do. There are some people who simply don't deserve to live, and that includes murderous tyrants.

A nation which I'm very proud to live in, stupid as you may feel that sentiment is.

Why are you proud to live in this country? Would you be ashamed to live in another country? Or is your choice entirely arbitrary, in that you are only proud to live here because you happen to live here?

I only take pride in things that I have actually achieved through my own efforts. I don't believe in white pride, or American pride, or heterosexual pride, or male pride, or right-handedness pride, or attached-earlobe pride. I had nothing to do with the conditions of my birth, or the territorial division of land into different nation-states, or the formation of the political system that rules over me, so I find it absurd to be proud of my nation. I am only American because the natives who originally lived here could not defend themselves against an invasion of British settlers, and I happen to live a couple miles south of a line, drawn up by colonial rulers several centuries ago, that used to divide some settlers who decided to found an independent republic in the 1770s from some other settlers who wanted to remain a British colony for another 90 years. Honestly, why should that matter to me?

"I hate patriotism. I can't stand it.... It's a round world, last time I checked." -Bill Hicks

[Ozarks]

As for what people think of me , I really think I should give an explanation of my sig : DILLIGAF ! = Do I Look Like I Give A Fuck ?

If this is true why did you start this thread ?

You are obviously looking for some validation of your opinion, or creating a stage were you can expose other people to your opinions, restate them and defend them.

Your "I'm AA and I don't care what the nieghbors think" attitude is a facade, and this thread proves it. What was the "poll" question again ?

America isn't perfect, but we certainly have many thing to be proud of, many things we have done right. We always try to do the right thing, we aren't always successful, but we try. If you can't bring yourself to appreciate a society because that society's Government lacks perfection thats OK because this is America.:thumbsup: the envy of the world.

BTW when you find a society that has prefect ( I will even settle for better) Government let me know, I won't tell you to move there, I will.

I'll bet you a nickel I die of old age right here.

[psychocat]

CURIOSITY !!
Simple really , the point is : how is disagreeing with someone a reason to call them anti anything ? Surely the very statement anti american insinuates that the person hates all things American which is why my very first question was for something that nobody who uses the label anti american has been able to supply up till now.
WHAT IS ANTI AMERICAN ??

Can anyone answer ?

Those who use it most seem the least forthcoming with a definition, is it based purely on political differences or would disliking MacDonalds make me AA* ?
Can anyone clarify the situation?

[pisshead]

have you noticed that those who call others anti-american are usually the ones who have no idea what our country is supposed to be...we have a pretty good outline for a government in the constitution (it's as close to anarchy as you'd want to get without things going to hell, and really far away from dictatorship) and we're so far away from the constitution right now...we're drifting towards northcom/homeland security military dictatorship.

but if you're against the military dictatorship, then you hate america. if you don't ask questions and accept what you're told, then you love it.

[Bong30]

CURIOSITY !!
Simple really , the point is : how is disagreeing with someone a reason to call them anti anything ? Surely the very statement anti american insinuates that the person hates all things American which is why my very first question was for something that nobody who uses the label anti american has been able to supply up till now.
WHAT IS ANTI AMERICAN ??

Can anyone answer ?

Those who use it most seem the least forthcoming with a definition, is it based purely on political differences or would disliking MacDonalds make me AA* ?
Can anyone clarify the situation?

ANTI
English
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Etymology
Treatment of the prefix anti- as an adjective

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Pronunciation
Rhymes: -ænti
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Adjective
anti (comparative more anti, superlative most anti)

Against, opposed to.
I'm very anti that idea.
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Synonyms
against, opposed to
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Antonyms
pro
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Noun
anti (plural antis)

A person opposed to a concept or principle.
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Antonyms
pro
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See also
anti-

American

English
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Etymology
From Modified Latin Americanus (America from Latinized name of Amerigo Vespucci, Italian navigator of 1512).

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Pronunciation
American (noun and adjective)

US: SAMPA: /@"mEr@k@n/, IPA: /ə'mɛrəkən/
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Noun
American (plural Americans)

Singular
American
Plural
Americans


A person born in, or a citizen or inhabitant of, the United States of America.
An inhabitant of the Americas. More often this is specified as either North American or South American.

There ya go....

Just a couple cut and pastes away...........

Psychocat would you like me to search your posts for anti american shit?





Piss just like to post about how bad america is, with no good ideas how to make it better............ Be part of the solution.... not the problem.

[Crimson King]

Nice post. I agree with everything except the last two bits. I feel where you're coming from though.

Thanks for the reply without insult! I appreciate it.

In regards to 9/11,I guess I should clairify that I am just desensitized to it.Yes,it was horrible and destroyed many lives.Yes,it rocked the country to have such a brazen attack on U.S. soil,but when you go through history,humans are very good at one thing: destroying each other in the name of money,land,politics,religion, and power.
We are the only animal that kills for sport,greed,lust,retribution,moral conviction,etc. After a while,I just can't "feel" much except dismay and resignation that this is what we do to each other.We all have our defense mechanisms to keep our sanity.

On the illegal alien issue: I am just speaking from experience here and fully understand the reasons why so many are totally against it,but as a chef and 15 years in this industry,I have worked with quite a few illegals and it boils down to simple humanity.When you hear their stories and what they went through in their own lands and what they did to get here,it really changes your perspective.

Perfect example being a dishwasher or prep person.Now,in a corporate setting,everyone is legal,but the privately-owned places are another entirely.In over a decade,the Mexicans,Guatemalans,Peruvians,etc I have known worked harder than any American doing the same job.The work ethic they have is amazing.

They never complained [like Americans do..lol!],were willing to learn anything you wanted to teach them,never were late, never called in sick and were always very nice and respectful to all fellow employees..they busted ass right along with the rest of the crew 12 to 15 hours a day,6 to 7 days a week.

I don't care if it's a mom and pop place or The Ritz-Carlton,Americans will complain about the work,call in for stupid reasons,have an attitude about doing some job [this is not a glamorous profession;it's HARD WORK] because they feel it's beneath them,took excessive smoke breaks or were always on their damn cell phones.I have had to confiscate many a phone at the start of a shift because people seem to think that it's ok to be paid to socialize.

As a female in a male-dominated industry,I have a tremendous work ethic and expect co-workers and employees to follow suit.I have just experienced more problems with fellow Americans than the amigos who were doing the same job for the same rate of pay....that's all!

[psychocat]

ANTI
English
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Etymology
Treatment of the prefix anti- as an adjective

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Pronunciation
Rhymes: -ænti
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Adjective
anti (comparative more anti, superlative most anti)

Against, opposed to.
I'm very anti that idea.
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Synonyms
against, opposed to
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Antonyms
pro
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Noun
anti (plural antis)

A person opposed to a concept or principle.
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Antonyms
pro
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See also
anti-

American

English
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Etymology
From Modified Latin Americanus (America from Latinized name of Amerigo Vespucci, Italian navigator of 1512).

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Pronunciation
American (noun and adjective)

US: SAMPA: /@"mEr@k@n/, IPA: /ə'mɛrəkən/
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Noun
American (plural Americans)

Singular
American
Plural
Americans


A person born in, or a citizen or inhabitant of, the United States of America.
An inhabitant of the Americas. More often this is specified as either North American or South American.

There ya go....

Just a couple cut and pastes away...........

Psychocat would you like me to search your posts for anti american shit?





Piss just like to post about how bad america is, with no good ideas how to make it better............ Be part of the solution.... not the problem.

So by disagreeing with certain aspects of Americas ideaology and it's goverment and the mindset of certain individuals I am anti - American.
But that of course gives rise to the question of pro American of course.

Am I pro American because I like the way people like George Carlin and Dennis Leary think ?
Or am I pro American because I believe the man who made the biggest impact on the US and other cultures was probably Elvis Presley ?

Surely I can't be pro and anti at the same time?

Would my admiration for Neil Armstrong or Buzz Aldrin be pro or anti ?
How about my love of 50's hotrods or B movies (both American)??
How about Edison ? Genius IMO

See for your definition to work it has to be black or white but that simply isn't the case is it ?

Now tell me again about anti - American without the childish attempts to appear smart.

[Hamlet]

'Anti-American' was used by McCarthy during the Red Scare to justify a witch hunt and the term gives me the weebie-jeebies. You also see it used by sleezy politicians and TV preachers trying to wrap themselves in the flag for unwholesome purposes. The whole dewy-eyed 'I'm a patriot!' song and dance always seems to have hateful motives.

If we're getting badmouthed abroad we certainly deserve it at this point, but I still feel a little prickly when someone is dis'n my home who isn't from here. I suppose it's like my cajun cousins--they can call themselves coonasses but you better not do it.....lol