they are tall cuz i started in feb 06,,it is now sept 11,,hence 7 months old,,they grew like i knew they would,,to the stars and heaveans above,,i used lots of trade secrets from past,,,,,,ive seen many plants like mine,,well not many,,,,,,,they are tied as well and topped less than month old,tied and topped at 2 months,,grew in greenhouse for longest time till i had to tie more to grow outside greenhouse,,