Marinol

[slipknotpsycho]

http://www.ardpark.org/reference/marinol.htm
this backs up what i said earlier on the fact that experiences will greatly differ, tho i did not know they can differ greatly in the same person at two diffrent times, so it's unpredictable pretty much. it also states that it is synthetic, and not just thc poured into a pill.

also while doing some more research, i've found a couple more things, (to those who want to do them) it is more psychoactive then regular cannabis, the reason they feel like oil when you bite into them is because the synthetic thc in it is combined with sesame seed oil, the effects can last anywhere from 4-6 hours, but as for onset it can vary greatly, person A may feel it in 30 mins, where as person B may have taken them 2 hours ago and still feel nothing, and person C may never feel anything.

however i cannot find actual documentation of the ld50 on marinol, since we've established it's synthetic and not pure, it doesn't nessicarily share a ld50 with natural cannabis.

[IanCurtisWishlist]

so you're saying the poison control center lied to my wife then? i know what i felt, i was even told to go the hospital, but i refused guess i was scared i'd have to get a tube shoved down my throat...

and if it were just thc in a pill, then i sure as hell wouldn't have been able to od on four of them, because one would have to have such a high concentration, they just wouldn't be practical, and i highly doubt hardly anyone would voluntarily take them. just imagine what taking 1/4 of the ridiculously high od limit of thc all at once would do to your mind and body....

i'm going by what my wife was told when she had to call, unless you can show viable proof otherwise, i think i'm going to believe them.

Nobody is saying the poison control lied to your wife. You could have very well overdosed. However keep in mind that overdose doesn't necessarily mean life-threatening. You took an overdose of the recommended amount, which is 1 pill. This constitutes an overdose, however it's not life-threatening. It is just THC in a pill, the THC being dissolved in sesame seed oil. Combine what you took with alcohol AND half a joint, and I'd say you were pretty fucked up. However I doubt if you were in a life and death situation.

The poison control told you to go to the hospital to be on the safe side. But you refused. Had you been in any real danger, you'd have suffered serious consequences from it. Serious consequencens meaning you might not be here to tell your story.

Yes, I am saying that the only psychoactive chemical in Marinol is Delta-9 THC. It's nothing else. If it were some other psychoactive chemical, then legally it could not be marketed as a THC Pill. There are legalities surrounding the issue. The pharmaceutical company cannot market a THC pill with another drug being an active ingredient. It would need to be listed in the active ingredients. www.rxlist.com if you need further information. If it wasn't just THC In the pill, I'm sure the effects of overdose would have been much more harmful. You need to understand the pharmacology of the drug.

The reason you reacted so harsh to the substance was most likely because you took 5, combined it with alcohol, and then smoked more weed. Alcohol often has a multiplier effect with drugs, meaning that if you take alcohol and another drug at the same time, it multiplies the level of intoxication. I'm sure the alcohol had something to do with your overdose (or should I say, unpleasant experience) because even personally when I combine alcohol and weed I'm pretty much catatonic and out of it.

So yes, it's only THC that is psychoactive in Marinol.

[IanCurtisWishlist]

http://www.ardpark.org/reference/marinol.htm
this backs up what i said earlier on the fact that experiences will greatly differ, tho i did not know they can differ greatly in the same person at two diffrent times, so it's unpredictable pretty much. it also states that it is synthetic, and not just thc poured into a pill.

also while doing some more research, i've found a couple more things, (to those who want to do them) it is more psychoactive then regular cannabis, the reason they feel like oil when you bite into them is because the synthetic thc in it is combined with sesame seed oil, the effects can last anywhere from 4-6 hours, but as for onset it can vary greatly, person A may feel it in 30 mins, where as person B may have taken them 2 hours ago and still feel nothing, and person C may never feel anything.

however i cannot find actual documentation of the ld50 on marinol, since we've established it's synthetic and not pure, it doesn't nessicarily share a ld50 with natural cannabis.

It is synthetic, meaning it was created in a laboratory and not derived from the cannabis plant. It's still the same chemical when it comes down to it. The sesamae seed oil is used because THC is soluable in oils...

When you said ".. person A may feel it in 30 mins, where as person B may have taken them 2 hours ago and still feel nothing... " , this has nothing to do with the fact that the chemical is synthetic. Bottom line is, synthetic or not, it's still Delta-9 THC. It was created in a lab by chemists, but it's still the same chemical that occurs in nature. The only difference is that it was created using technology, not a plant... so it's the same chemical.

Lastly, most drug texts will say what you have pointed out--that the drug can effect people differently. This depends on the individual and again, has nothing to do with whether or not the chemical is synthetic or drived from natural sources.

When you say, "we've established that it's synthetic and not pure," this is misleading. A pure substance may be synthetic. The only way it would not be pure is if it's cut with something else. In essence, marinol is only "cut" with the sesame seed oil and the gel coating, but there is no impurity in the drug which is psychoactive.

again, synthetic = created in a lab by chemists--this has nothing to do with the strength or molecular makeup of the chemical. Synthetic only points to how the chemical was synthesized. Whether it comes from the cannabis plant or is created in a lab (synthesized) , the end molecule is the same-- it's still Delta-9 THC.

Citing RXLIST.COM,:

"Dronabinol, the active ingredient in MARINOL (dronabinol) Capsules, is synthetic delta-9-tetrahydrocannabinol (delta-9-THC). Delta-9-tetrahydrocannabinol is also a naturally occurring component of Cannabis sativa L. (Marijuana)."



So synthetic or not, it's the same exact chemical when we examine it on the molecular level.

[IanCurtisWishlist]

FYI dryst, THC isn't illegal if you have the proper permit from the government. it's only Scheduled.

[dryst]

do u live int he US dude?...THC is the active ingreident in Mj that makes it illegal...wtf are u talkin about?...permits are only obtained for medical reasons (and thats only in certain states....)

[dejayou30]

i would like to back up the statement that it is man made THC. its not from a natural source, it is man made, but yes it is the same chemical structure as THC. i read a little bit about them and it sounds like one pill lasts about 6 hours. maybe i'm just a pussy but i think i would probably only take one, MAYBE two but definitely no more than that. i'll just stick to bud unless i somehow come across these things for free.

[IanCurtisWishlist]

do u live int he US dude?...THC is the active ingreident in Mj that makes it illegal...wtf are u talkin about?...permits are only obtained for medical reasons (and thats only in certain states....)

Yes I do live in the USA.

THC isn't the active ingredient that makes it illegal actually. The law prohibits "marijuana" in any form, and in theory if you had marijuana buds with 0 percent THC it is still illegal. Permits are obtained through the government for medical reasons, or for research purposes. So I don't see your point. Because the pharmaceutical company obviously has gone through the necessary steps to legally synthesize THC, otherwise the DEA would be shutting them down.

Man-made THC is the same exact thing as natural THC. It does the exact same thing to your brain because it is the exact same molecule.

[dryst]

actaully if thc wasnt in bud then no one would smoke it, making it pointless to outlaw...so...infact yes thc is what makes weed illegal...i dont see ur point dude...u just repeated me...yes i know permits are only handed out for medical/research purposes...i sadi that and u verified it...

[IanCurtisWishlist]

actaully if thc wasnt in bud then no one would smoke it, making it pointless to outlaw...so...infact yes thc is what makes weed illegal...i dont see ur point dude...u just repeated me...yes i know permits are only handed out for medical/research purposes...i sadi that and u verified it...

yeah i'm sure that's how YOU see it but the law sees it differently.

the law doesnt care about how much THC Is in the weed. the law outlaws marijuana, and it doesn't give any guidelines as to the amount of THC being relevant to the nature of the offense. You can have a half ounce of dirt weed that won't get you high and then you could have a half ounce of chronic that gets you high with 1 hit. The law doesn't look at it differently, because a half ounce of marijuana is a half ounce of marijuana, regardless of the quality. So your statement "actaully if thc wasnt in bud then no one would smoke it making it pointless to outlaw... thc is what makes weed illegal" is not valid, because the law didn't aim to outlaw THC--the point was to outlaw marijuana in any form. Remember that the drug laws were enacted with no regard to the amount of THC in marijuana.

With that being said, if you were in possession of marijuana with 0 percent THC, and you were busted with it, the law isn't going to take the time to pay someone to analyse the THC content and determine what crime you've comitted based on the amount of THC found in the weed. What matters is that marijuana is illegal, it's black and white, so even if there is no THC in the weed you still are going to be charged for possession of a controlled substance.

[dryst]

ur not seeing the point...but ill let u belive w/e u want...seeing as how u wont change ur pov either way...