hey i am with you in that the REAL mainstran crap - i mean rap is just a bunch of retarded people throwin stupid meaningless lyrics on a stupid meaningless beat, -(at least thats wot it sed to me) but u gotta hav alotta respect for those who you may class as mainstream rappers that have been in it for a long time like eminem that seem to have been forgotten about, it doesnt matter what you say, eminem is a man of many talents, a genius even, and i listen to his music as much as i do tupac or dre, a few of the newer rappers are really goin far with it now, - eg obie trice, D12 and i for one congragulate their success - ps i dont hav a clu wot i jus writ, n really cant be bothered to read it agen so, understand wot u can