look man real hip hop is still alive you just have to find it, as for rap that launched off of hip hop i think its absolutly rediculous i hate rap , just like you said, no lyrical tallents ect ect but its what people seem to want so it sells. i like old hip hop , mc's ,dj's bboy's and b'girls, and graf artists, thats hip hop, rap that clames hip hop is bs it all shit all of it