suhl we agree on a lot of things dude :thumbsup:

and yabatab, we are in a big disagreement and I won't resort to name calling but to say that NOLA(my avatar) or any down material is a piece of shit is blasephemy. so down became a band soley because Phil was in pantera at the time? i'll give a little history lesson on down: Phil wrote lyrics and material for down as far back as 92'. the only reason these ideas came to fruition is because one day, during a break in pantera's, eyehategod's, and crowbar's touring schedule they all got together(because they were all friends as early back as high school) to jam soley for the purpose to hang out, make music, and enjoy each other's company. as it goes they wrote an entire demo over a weekend. they realized they had stumbled upon something very special and unique so they decided to record an album dedicated to new orleans (NOLA) and their love of black sabbath. after playing only 13 shows, word of mouth spread that this so called side project was something to check out and guess what: it sold HALF A MILLION COPIES worldwide. that to me is incredible considering they got no airplay and played only 13 shows. in other words: these guys didn't try to make down an awesome band, they did it without even trying. bands today can't do this with all the label support and air time in the world. why you ask? because they don't have .02% of heart that Phil, Jimmy, Kirk, Rex, and Pepper have. oh and to say that Down was the reason pantera split up is just wrong dude, pantera broke up because 1. tension between phil and dime and vinnie were growing because of phil's heroin addiction. 2. that motherfucker nathal gale murdered dimebag(insert flood outro here :sadcrying ). and 3 superjoint ritual was more important to phil than a pantera record. and btw down is so special to me I got "lifer" tattooed above my right ankle. :smokin: