you are just stubborn and use things like saying grow up to make me look bad then turn around and make the same type of remarks except try to sound mature. your problem is the same as a lot of people on here, you think it is ok to go around being ignorant and acting like you know when you dont and just presenting lies as truth is ok as long as you are nice about it. then you can get all high and mighty and toss around words like immature grow up or whatever has nothing to do with the main point. if you think down sounds like pantera in any way then i cant see you really appreciating either band. if you want to deprive yourself of down just so you can be a stubborn prick that is fine with me but trust me whenever you decide to end this pointless charade youll thank me:thumbsup: