yeah for sure, i am aware of that. its purely because i dont have the floros, and thats mainly cuz i am lazy and so i am using my 400watt HSP as one lamp. so i have to try to keep the temp under control. but yeah i totally see what ur saying soccergal about the stretching. ur plants have been growing just as long as mine and they have 5 times the number of leaves and much shorter too. its awesome tho. i am gonna lower the lamp and see how it goes. will post updates soon.