They were around 10" when put into flower some a bit bigger. After that I LSTed them all. Mini bungee cords kick ass for that. Im not sure how much I spent...I could have spent allot less for what I ended up using. I did allot of experimentation. Around $1,000 or so in all....but the next one will just be electricity and nutes. I have a 400W MH, 400W HPS, 80Watt 4' Flouro and a 15W 18" flouro. I use them as I see fit, no point in wasting electricity. Hydro can be a pain at first but once everything is dialed in its pretty sweet.