wish i could help. i cant roll joints for shit!!!!! lol. im gettin pretty good at blunts.. but joints i really am bad. i dont even wana try it bc im scared to waste the weed. i def. need to learn how to do it. that website is sweet but im not good at following drawn diagrams. the videos are good, but i really need like some1 to show me in person! lol. no one around here i kno really smoke joints, we all just roll blunts. someone come over and help me! lol