Before I ever rolled, I spent a lot of time looking at pros and how they roll, vids, etc. First joints I ever rolled were with receipts (last resort papers), and even those were pretty damn good! Now I can roll dank joints, and they smoke great. If I ever find that my jay is too loosely rolled, I'll just roll another paper around it. 2 papers does give a little "burning paper" taste but it's a great cure.