yes u have been a tremendous help brah....i have learned alot jus from wha u have told me....and like u said im jus gonna have to find out form experience as well...im jus gonna go by the info u have shared wit me and my own judgment and c how i like them in different stages and what not...im jus having trouble determing tha color of the trics...i say they r mostly clear and my girl says she sees alot of cloudy nes...so i guess im jus gonna have to take a few more samples, compare them and jus go wit my own judgement...but i would believe they r close if not past, b/c they have been flowering like i said for over 70 days....again thnx for all the help thru this trics check and sh*t, i will keep u updated....Pzzz