Quote Originally Posted by FreshNugz
You make a lot of valid points that can't be argued against..and nobody is denying you those..
the point is to realize that there are other undeniable facts to pay attention to, like the fact that the government in Iran is a religious dictatorship disguised as democracy. Kinda like Russia, you know, where you vote with the Kremlin or you get killed. This type of country is not one that should be in possession of nuclear weapons. Thats why the cold war was so damn scary! Russia should never have had those type of weapons! Do you never think how lucky we all are that we had some rational people in office who must have been scared of the consequences? Do you realize how many times the world came close to complete destruction? What makes you think that this situation will automatically play out well, like the cold war. In case you haven't noticed there is already a renewed arms race. Laughing a nuclear Iran off as non-threatening, when it is an open enemy who is defying UN Sanctions is plain naive. No matter your thoughts on US imperialism or aggression, you cannot deny that this comes down to the fact that they can't have nukes because the country isn't stable, not because they are "muslim enemies" like you suggest.
It's just as frightening that Pakistan has them too, cause they are crooked as hell.
So that con kinda outweighs the points you make about the US overstepping its bounds. It isn't just America and Israel biting their nails.

Basically what I'm saying to you Gandalf is that I agree with your stance on the US ...everything from their illegal international activity to their world police behaviour and their world domination idea they have...but in the case of Iran, put those feelings aside, because not everything is about the evilness of the US government. Iran is a particularly dangerous threat, and you don't seem to realize that.

P.S. Why does everyone buy this peaceful energy creation crap??? Of course they have to say that!!! Think they would come out and say well yes, we're building the bomb.
According to the IAEA Iran has been quite vague with inspection principles.
If they just want the energy why not allow another country to build it and maintain it for them. And their "right" to do so is just bullshit. They have a few more "rights" to work on before nuclear power should be considered.
I agree with this post nearly 100%.

The only thing I disagree with is the US world police situation. While it may appear that we are simply butting out noses in where it doesn't belong... if you look at a number of the situations where the US goes in and flexes it's muscles it is usually due to some UN Sanction that has been violated or ignored.

Historically the UN has not enforced any of it's policies and is generally corrupt. I guarantee you many nations in the UN are as corrupt as people PERCEIVE the United States to be. (I don't argue that there is not corruptness occuring within our government. That would just be naive to think that).

The UN makes international Law.. has an international military and focuses on human rights and other things. Yet in the history of the UN I have never seen them step beyond diplomatic action. I am totally for handling things peacefully. I prefer it. The problem is that in many situations, like in Iraq for example where they would close their doors to UN inspectors on several occassions, the UN would just roll over and take it with a smile. They might as well apologized for interrupting Saddams valuable time.

The question is when is it time to stop diplomacy and take a course of action?

Russia, France, China and several other members even abuse policies that are put in place.. like the oil for food program. Which was abused by trading weapons for oil instead of food like the program suggests.

France had several interests in Iraq in the form of oil contracts. In addition Iraq was buying military arms from Russia and China.

When you have so many countries that have a fiscal interest in a nation and ignore problems or worse.. contribute to an ever expanding problem then I feel the finger should be pointed at them as well.

The United States put essentially put the Baath party in power and to be honest, even though I am opposed to the war, I'm somewhat glad that we cleaned up ONE of the messes we made.

The WORLD is corrupt and honestly it's a bit disgusting that everyone turns a blind eye to their own wrongs and only focus on the United States.

But then again I guess it's easier to place all your blame on one nation.. heh


ps: I am sincerely glad to see this post by you and wished more people shared the mentality of looking beyond just what they see in front of them. Beyond what the media spoon feeds them. Although I do not agree with your post 100% I found it very intelligible and written in a somewhat non biased fashion.

While I'm all for arguments and debate, I find that majority of the posts in regards to this are more Anti-American (even from Americans) sentiment as opposed to well thought out posts with historical, political, economic or even current event references.

Ghandi once said that we must become the change that we want to see in the world.

Thank you for taking the time to do this. I enjoy reading your posts. :thumbsup: