Nuclear Showdown: Iran Says It Won't Stop Enrichment

[SpiritLevel]

I also wanted a description of the real me.

The stuctures that democracy has enforced on people over the years ensures that the average person will still want to be told what to do with their life (spoon fed). Any suggestion would seem too far fetched for most people to digest. For a start, to implement a new way of life takes a long time period of evolving ones' mind more over physically placing oneself into a new environment. Between me and a pal we quite like the idea of becoming self sufficient and not depending on the government for anything at all, including money. The discussion sounded nice while brainstorming, but giving up democracy will give a false sense of going back in time. There won't be non or many of the modern facilities available to someone who chooses to live without the government. Money is a main factor that influences deciding whether or not you want the government or not. If you think you can live without money, or would like to, then we'd be part way there. If one can consider living without the thing only money can buy, then we become a step closer. Reverting back to oldenday methods of survival but with modern knowledge of why it is better that way is necessary. jamstigator, your question cannot be answerd by me because I would then feel I'm dictating how one should live. Your question is also a lot bigger than simply asking 'what do you want it to be replaced with?'. If there was a one word answer, which there isn't, we'd both be happy but there isn't so I won't waste anymore time blabbering about reverting and going back in time. (for now!)

[anycraic]

sigh

Iran: signatory of the nuclear non proliferation treaty, has always claimed that its nuclear technology will be used for peaceful energy production. "sea of oil" is bullshit, it has to export the vast majority of it just to pay the bills.

its close neighbours Pakistan and India: have never signed anything. have openly developed and possess HUNDREDS of nuclear warheads. Have openly threatened war on each other and commited terrorist acts on each other many many times. have been on the brink of nuclear apocalypse on several occasions over the issue of the disputed territory of kashmir.

hmm, i wonder who to be more scared of...

oh you fucking idiots, why do you think iran is suddenly so powerful and is spreading its hardcore shia madness through the region, supporting terrorists with impunity? because some fucking genius decided to overthrow the major moderating power in the area, with a secular government that clamped down on islamic extremism and kept crazy ol iran in check...IRAQ!... now witness the shitstorm that will unfold without it...

[Oneironaut]

http://www.current.tv/pods/supernews/PD03720

[jamstigator]

I see, so you're in favor of eradicating democracy (government of any kind, actually) but you don't know what to replace it with, other than some utopian dream of subsistence farming or something. Well, yeah, not many people are gonna go for something like that. People like their iPods, internet, computer games, electricity, space programs, advanced healthcare, ability to traverse the globe, cruises, television, cameras, microwaves, refrigerators, and so on. Can people live without any of that? Of course. Does it suck? Yes it does.

If you've never 'lived off the land' for an extended period of time, then you don't really know what it's like. I've lived in pretty neolithic conditions for about eight months, and it ain't no picnic. It's not the big things you miss initially, because you know you aren't gonna have those. What gets really annoying is missing the little things, like toilet paper, mosquito repellant, lighters, cold drinks, anything to read, music, shampoo, toothpaste, warm water, waterproof storage, razors, antibiotics, aspirin, that kind of stuff.

People who live without the perks of modern society die much younger. Like, in their 30s or 40s. One bad infection, kiss a leg or an arm goodbye, if you survive at all. Even if it didn't suck to live in such conditions, I personally believe the human race can accomplish more than breeding one vulnerable planet full of subsistence farmers, but to do so requires government of some form.

Another problem, and it's a huge one, with no government, is that people need law and order, or it they quickly sink into anarchy. You establish a nice peaceful cooperative subsistence farming village next to some stream with fish and fresh water. A neighboring village downstream decides they don't like your feces washing down the stream into 'their' area, so they attack with the goal of enslaving your villagers and taking control of that area. What then? He who has the biggest guns wins. Yeah, that's a real step up from what we have now. In fact, there already are such lawless areas, where government has little or no control. Iraq, for starters, some countries in Africa, Somalia, and so on. If that's REALLY what you want, it is available right now. You'd probably end up missing government protection when gangs of thugs arrive in the night and blow you away with machine guns, but hey, you'd be free of government. Dead, too.

You are an idealist with no ideas.

[Hamlet]

Iran is just playing a mean hand of poker. And it seems we don't have any clever players on our team. We went with brute force instead of cunning and we're getting our ass handed to us.

[Ozarks]

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Iran: signatory of the nuclear non proliferation treaty, has alwaysclaimed that its nuclear technology will be used for peaceful energy production.

If you believe that, then so be it

"sea of oil" is bullshit, it has to export the vast majority of it just to pay the bills.

Yes, funding terrorists worldwide while keeping your own people unemployed (40%) The BILLIONS Iran take in every month at 70 + a barrel doesn't go to far.

its close neighbors Pakistan and India: have never signed anything. have openly developed and possess HUNDREDS of nuclear warheads. Have openly threatened war on each other and commited terrorist acts on each other many many times. have been on the brink of nuclear apocalypse on several occasions over the issue of the disputed territory of kashmir.

Actually Pakistan and India are negotiating over Kashmir, they bought have nukes and the leadership of both countries pocess some sanity. When they have a "border incident" it's with small arms, not nuclear bombs.

hmm, i wonder who to be more scared of...

India has and elected government, Pakistan has at least a stable Government, and a nuclear Iran (the leadership) wants to murder Jews and Americans and all other infidels in the name of their God, to start the war that will bring back their "Messiah"

oh you fucking idiots,

Did you have to google that, or did you come up with it on your own ?

why do you think Iran is suddenly so powerful and is spreading its hardcore shia madness through the region, supporting terrorists with impunity?

They are flush with money, The "Great Satan" will not be intimated by their threats and their perverted 12th century vision of Islam calls them to kill all who disagree with them

because some fucking genius decided to overthrow the major moderating power in the area, with a secular government that clamped down on islamic extremism and kept crazy ol iran in check...IRAQ!... now witness the shitstorm that will unfold without it...

Saddam was a psychopathic murderer, all the people (like you) willing to tolerate him are the same people who didn't have to live under him. There isn't a secular Government in Iraq, there's an elected Government in Iraq. What that Government ends up looking will decided by the Iraqis. BTW there was a Secular Government in Iraq under Saddam so what's your point ?

[SpiritLevel]

jamstigator, you got me... hook line and sinker

[psychocat]

Yeah folks lets trust the people who lie to us daily.
The US goverment , the UK goverment and all those who think they can bullshit us into killing in the name of peace or talk us into believing everyone is an enemy if they don't agree with you.


http://spikedhumor.com/articles/5125...ing_Owned.html

Now tell me again who we should trust ??

[joebhoy]

And so, you would replace democracy and voting with...what? Socialism? Communism? Anarchy? Barbarism? Dictatorship? Theocracy? Got something new in mind that people haven't tried? You want to tear down democracy, okay, I get that. But what do you want to see it replaced with?

What did America want to do in Palestine? Oh yeah bring democracy then when there was a vote and the PEOPLE elected Hamas wasn't that a fare vote? America didn't like it so they ignore it typical they didn't get there own way.

And just incase ye dont know do ye knowq who gave Iran there nuclear power plant in the 1960's?

Who gave them the uranium?

That's right Iran's good friend at the time the USA.

[joebhoy]

And so, you would replace democracy and voting with...what? Socialism? Communism? Anarchy? Barbarism? Dictatorship? Theocracy? Got something new in mind that people haven't tried? You want to tear down democracy, okay, I get that. But what do you want to see it replaced with?

What did America want to do in Palestine? Oh yeah bring democracy then when there was a vote and the PEOPLE elected Hamas wasn't that a fare vote? America didn't like it so they ignore it typical they didn't get there own way.

And just incase ye dont know do ye knowq who gave Iran there nuclear power plant in the 1960's?

Who gave them the uranium?

That's right Iran's good friend at the time the USA. :thumbsup:

It's Iran's right there not doing anything illegal they say it's for power there is not one bit of proof to suggest other wise.

What's going to happen nothing, America wont go to war with them they would get there ass kicked. 50,000 suicide bomber's I wonder how many of ye they would kill. :dance: