I was dead set on smoking a joint last night, and my roommate took his roller home for the weekend, so I gave the hand roll a try. Bottom one was the first, you can see a blue cardboard roach peeking out because I used tobacco to test so didn't care (about inked paper, wasn't planning to smoke all the way through). Top one came next, and is herb. I think the first rolled one probably came out better, shape-wise (which is second in the pic)... They're about the length of a Bic. Smoked fine, too.