Last night I rolled my first joint, I had to use 2 paper to make it even work.

Today I see this post and think hmmmm . I got a business card I can use as a tray. I cut a little roach out of and envelope and rolled around a ink pen shaft(not the pen but the shaft pulled out of the pen, or a Q-Tip works) to make my roach kind of pre-formed round with no notch's in it. I follow the instructions, Make sure you get the lip of the paper at the roach to roll inside with the roach so you can roll it on up. End result I with minimul effort I rolled on that looks virtually like the original posters J. Once youu have made the pinch he shows you with the roach you can even-out your herb by useing your left thumb and fingers to corress the yet finshed joint with the joint held so gravity keeps the herb from coming out of the open end and using your fingers it kind of finds it own ballace.

Everyone here has the tools he showing, follow what he says and boom you got a real serious J. Again this was my 2nd J ever.