they are bagseed from real good mids....been about a month from seed and they are under cfls about 7000 lumens.i think i am going to flower in about 2 more weeks...they are averaging 8 inches or so.i just got a new cab off the curb today so i will make it my flower room.cant wait to see em bloom.i also checked on my outdoor and can you believe i got about an 80% female rate.....very nice