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    UK: Drugs and prohibition

    Certain areas of human conduct lend themselves so readily to bad science
    that you have to wonder if there is a pattern emerging. Last week the
    parliamentary science and technology committee looked into the ABC
    classification of illegal drugs, and found it was rubbish. This is not
    an article about that report, but it is a good place to start: drugs,
    they found, are supposed to be ranked by harm, in classes A, B, and C,
    but they're not; and the ranking is supposed to act as a deterrent, but
    it doesn't.

    Watching this small area of prohibition collapse like wet tissue paper
    got me thinking: how does the world of prohibition match up against our
    gold standards for bad science, like the nutritionists or the anti-MMR
    movement? Have any of the prominent academic papers been retracted? Yes,
    they have. Professor George Ricaurte, funded by the National Institute
    for Drug Abuse, published an article in Science, describing how he
    administered a comparable recreational dose of ecstasy to monkeys: this
    dose killed 20% of the monkeys, and another 20% were severely injured.

    Even before it was announced - a year later - that they'd got the
    bottles mixed up and used the wrong drug, you didn't need to be Einstein
    to know this was duff research, because millions of clubbers have taken
    the "comparable" recreational dose of ecstasy, and 20% of them did not
    die. It's no wonder animal rights campaigners manage to persuade
    themselves that animal research makes a bad model for human physiology.

    That's before you even get started on workaday bad science. Like the
    food gurus, prohibitionists will cherry pick research that suits them,
    measure inappropriate surrogate outcomes, and wishfully over-interpret
    data: a prohibitionist will observe that less cannabis has been seized,
    and declare that this means there is less cannabis on the streets,
    rather than less police interest.

    For textbook bad science we'd also want to see the media distorting
    research: overstating the stuff it likes, and ignoring stuff it doesn't,
    especially negative findings. We used to read a lot about cannabis and
    lung cancer in the papers. The largest ever study of whether cannabis
    causes lung cancer reported its findings recently, to total UK media
    silence. Lifelong cannabis users, who had smoked more than 22,000
    joints, showed no greater risk of cancer than people who had never
    smoked cannabis.

    While no journalist has written a single word on that study, the Times
    did manage to make a front page story headed "Cocaine floods the
    playground: use of the addictive drug by children doubles in a year,"
    out of their misinterpretation of a government report that showed
    nothing of the sort.

    There are even optimists who believe in quick fix treatments for drug
    habits - the heroin detox in five days, or painless withdrawal in just
    48 hours, under general anaesthesia.

    Why are drugs such a bad science magnet? Partly, of course, it's the
    moral panic. But more than that, sat squarely at the heart of our
    discourse on drugs, is one fabulously reductionist notion: it is the
    idea that a complex web of social, moral, criminal, health, and
    political problems can be simplified to, blamed on, or treated via a
    molecule or a plant. You'd have a job keeping that idea afloat.

    Ben Goldacre
    The Guardian
    Monday 07 Aug 2006
    420mory Reviewed by 420mory on . UK: Drugs and prohibition Certain areas of human conduct lend themselves so readily to bad science that you have to wonder if there is a pattern emerging. Last week the parliamentary science and technology committee looked into the ABC classification of illegal drugs, and found it was rubbish. This is not an article about that report, but it is a good place to start: drugs, they found, are supposed to be ranked by harm, in classes A, B, and C, but they're not; and the ranking is supposed to act as a Rating: 5

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    UK: Drugs and prohibition

    I believe this response is to recent BBC classification article:
    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politi...0006.stm#drugs


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    #3
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    UK: Drugs and prohibition

    LSD AND ECSTASY ARE LESS DANGEROUS THEN CANNABIS?



    seriously?

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    UK: Drugs and prohibition

    that graph is almost as ignorant as the current drug classifications, although it looks more favorably on cannabis, there are some serious oversights there.

    its pretty plain to see that these results came from bullshit statistical analysis and correlation rather than a real in depth scientific study.

    e's less harmfull than cannabis? come on... i like the occasional pill myself, but please! smoke a joint every day for a year, no problems compared to if you get pilled up every day...jesus, now that would fry your brain good style.

    diazepan/triazepan, and ket less dangerous than alcahol? i dont think so,
    what a load of bollocks!

    and i think the only reason khat is at the bottom is cause its so un-heard of in the UK no one really cares about it, quite a nasty stimulant by all accounts.

    GHB? since when was date-raping considered less dangerous than getting stoned? wasnt the figures supposed to take social consequences into account also?

    i despair somtimes, i really do.

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