What's a subsitute for P?

[Shallow Hal]

exactly , and as for ur grow bible .. when was it printed , i bet in the mid 60's or 70's when good ferts weren't available. anyone can grow weed mate , jesus it will even grow itself , its done it for 1000's of years. u piss on ur plants all u want but what i am telling u is it will give u more trouble than its worth.

[tekneeqs]

Haha ok I got it. So it really just does more harm than good is what u're saying?

[fizzlemenizzle]

Tomato food!!!! high in not only nitrogen but also phospherus!!!! working well for me anyway!!!

[xkamikaze9x]

lol if u use pee u'll be in trouble , urine contain N true but it also contains other stuff like bacteria and other nasty thing that u don't want to get on ur plants . plus would u smoke if weed if sumone told u they pissed on it . jesus why would u even want to use ur own piss in the 1st place . if u can't afford the right ferts man at least buy cheap ones that will do to u get the better stuff. plus how much N is in ur piss , how can u measure it . please don't tell me by taste!!!

Not true. Urine is completely sterile leaving the body, so I'd imagine that pissing into a sterile specimen cup will ensure you're not going to introduce any pathogens to the plant. Can't comment on the effectiveness, but I can say you're not going risk infecting your plant using this method.

But urine does contain other compounds which may or may not be good for the plant: small proteins, creatine, etc.

[slowthestone]

lol if u use pee u'll be in trouble , urine contain N true but it also contains other stuff like bacteria and other nasty thing that u don't want to get on ur plants . plus would u smoke if weed if sumone told u they pissed on it . jesus why would u even want to use ur own piss in the 1st place . if u can't afford the right ferts man at least buy cheap ones that will do to u get the better stuff. plus how much N is in ur piss , how can u measure it . please don't tell me by taste!!!

Apparently you're not familiar of what all comprises the better organic fertilizers. Worm castings anyone?

I've not ever used urine, but being as I've considered using bat shit...why not my own pee? Least I know whats in me. Those bats could have been feasting on West Nile virus mosquitoes!!! (j/k)

Kamikaze is correct. Urine is sterile. And as long as you know what goes into your body, or perhaps a donating 2nd party...there'd be no harm in using diluted urine as a fertilizer.

[Shallow Hal]

[quote=xkamikaze9x]Not true. Urine is completely sterile leaving the body, so I'd imagine that pissing into a sterile specimen cup will ensure you're not going to introduce any pathogens to the plant. Can't comment on the effectiveness, but I can say you're not going risk infecting your plant using this method.

But urine does contain other compounds which may or may not be good for the plant: small proteins, creatine, etc
i am not saying that pee won't work , ofcourse it has N in it, i tell u what , next time u grow pee on one of ur plants instead of feeding it and i will bet my house that it doesn't grow as well as the rest . also how do u judge the ph and strength of ur urine . also bacteria and other nasty shit will grow in ur plantpot which will affect the growth of ur plant. as for bat droppings u'll find that these have been sterilized to kill any of the other bacteria and stuff that will do u or ur plants harm . now the point u made about urine being sterile as it leaves the body which is true but unless u have a sealed sterile container to put it in ,how do u keep it sterile??? are u going to boil it ???
i like most of u have done most of my research to online or from books and i have never heard many of the socalled experts advising to use urine instead of ferts.
anyway thats enuff from me on this subject and i guess the question has to be" to pee , or not to pee" . i guess i'll just keeping pissing in the toilet and use my ferts to get these kinda results
http://boards.cannabis.com/showthread.php?t=78575
http://boards.cannabis.com/showthread.php?t=78436

[slowthestone]

Hey Hall...

Presumably, a person would pee into a container, dilute it with water...then apply it to the soil. Considering how often people pee...keeping a batch of the stuff around would be totally unnecessary, and kinda...ew.

Anyway...I don't know my body's pH, but I do know it's regulated...a person's individual pH is a thing that is locked in for life. You can drink all the coffee, tea and orange juice you could stand, the pH of your pee won't change. Anything ingested is automatically buffered before being released into the bloodstream. And, were it either on the acidic or alkaline side...it'd be the simple matter of adjusting it as any other solution would be.

Far as what all occurs once it hits the soil...well...everything stops being sterile soon as it comes into contact with air, let alone a pot full of dirt.

Anyway x2...I'm not advocating the use of urine here...just noting that it'd not be a bad thing to use...and...it's free.

[Shallow Hal]

lol man .. plz don't be silly , the ph of ur urine does change , i am a nurse i think should know these things . if u are more dehydrated ur urine becomes more concentrated making the ph change either way from the normal . like i said earlier i have said enuff on this matter and if the guy that posted this thread wants to piss on his plants well good for him , but it is unclean and it is sumthing i wouldn't be telling sumone to do ,. can u imagine the smell with the lights burning . like sumone said earlier tomatoe food is cheap and thats what i used for the 1st 6 monthes i grew with great results.

[slowthestone]

The pH of urine changes...yes...when a person isn't healthy. I guess I should have...well...no...I'm okay making a generalization about pee.

Sorry, I'm no medical professional...I'm of the understanding though that a healthy body is forever maintaining/buffering one's pH to an ideal point.

I'll go ahead and stfu now before I end up with a foot in my mouth.

[slowthestone]

Well....

Risking tmi here...but...I've gone and tested the pH of my pee.

I'm a big time drinker of coffee each morning. So much so that I'm one of those that has coffee pee.

The pH of my coffee this morning is 5.5

I calibrated the tester, pee'd in 4 different containers (too see if it varied from early to mid to late in the stream), and took the readings...all are at 7.0

Hmmm...makes me wonder if I should be using me pee to calibrate at 7.0

Anyway...once I got to wondering it, I had to check for sake of my curiosity.

Verdict...I've healthy kidney function and nothing in my bloodstream that makes utilization of essential minerals a difficult thing to occur.