What I realize while high

[Guest]

Im not saying entheogens cant help us, im just saying right now they cant, and so should not be used in society. This is rough, raw and unedited. In terms of philosophy it is probably logically inconsistent and not valid. Thats fine I dont care.

So I wrote this while toking a bowl thinking about various experiences

Aug 7, 06
"If we cant handle living outside this world, on this Earth, how can we expect to venture to these inner worlds in a beneficial way? How can we expect to journey these inner worlds and places in such a way as to prove to be beneficial to Mankind? There are those who argue the use of entheogens is necessary to propel Mankind through evolution. I dont see how this is so.

It is my belief that Mankind is to immature to venture 'inside.' How can it be mature enough to do such a Trip when it cant even handle living on this Earth as it is?

We're killing this outer world (we're still killing each other), this world which sustains us. Look at the damage we have inflicted on the environment. Imagine the damage we'd inflict on our inner worlds if we went there regularly? Instead of the break down of ecoystems we'd have the break down of consciousness all together.

There are those that argue that entheogens and other psychoactives can have a beneficial role in society. I dont refute this, but only say that that time has not come, that Mankind is still in diapers and can not handle the inner world, because this outer world is still to fucked up.

Mankind is aware of this on some level and so covers it up by saying these 'drugs' are immoral, dangerous and degenerative, the truth is, is that Mankind just doesnt know how to handle them, like every thing else in life. Its almost kind of pathetic, other civilizations who were 'primitive' did not seem to have much a problem, just us.

These tools could help us, but not right now. Mankind is still wearing diapers and having a tempertantrum."


Your thoughts are welcome, tell me them.

Guest Reviewed by Guest on 08-08-2006. What I realize while high Im not saying entheogens cant help us, im just saying right now they cant, and so should not be used in society. This is rough, raw and unedited. In terms of philosophy it is probably logically inconsistent and not valid. Thats fine I dont care. So I wrote this while toking a bowl thinking about various experiences Aug 7, 06 "If we cant handle living outside this world, on this Earth, how can we expect to venture to these inner worlds in a beneficial way? How can we expect to journey Rating: 5

[da5mikeY]

that's probably the most egotistical thing I have ever read in my life...and I like how you put it in quotes as if it will be put on one of those motivational posters

[Captain Hanks]

good read, its a puzzle ill admit

[Guest]

egotistical in what way?

Are you going to tell me that we're not destroying this environment? We're not polluting this Earth? Hell we pollute the moon and outer space?
Are you going to tell me than Mankind is an exemplary being of the universe?


Im not saying some people cant venture to these 'inner worlds' there are certaintly those who can, no doubt about that. Some can bodly trip their brains out have a blast learn and whatever, some kind trip their brains out and go crazy. Thats not my point though.

But for these 'drugs' to be used in society like every fucking Tim Leary wannabe preach about wont work. Im tired of Tim Leary wannabes walking around saying "acid could be used in society to help us" "mescaline is a spiritual tool that kind bring the divine holy spiritual light to all of us spirital beings" and all that other fluffly bullshit.

Our society is rather Puritan, and prolly should be due to its behavior.

I hate to sound like a pessimist, if people think I just sit around and am anti social, thats far from the truth.

THe world is fucked up. As a species we are fucked up.


You cant deny this.

[Guest]

Fucking

We cant even handle solving issues like Gay Marriage.

How can we expect to handle issues that only 'drugs' seem to shed light on during a trip? When these issues seem to be much more meaningful and important?


I dont hate life, it sounds like I do but whatever

I just find it interesting:

All these Tim Leary idealists walking around always saying to legalize shit and how 'drugs' can be used with society in a beneficial way- straight out of the fucking New Age section from a book store.

We as a species cant fucking decide if the Greenhouse Effect is a cause of pollution or just a natural occurence, so while we bitch and bicker about it (Congress rather) the problem gets worse.

But yet, we're ready to take some of those ontological issues inside ourselves, with a couple of hits of Cid or a few grams of mushrooms.

Dunno,

Some constructive criticism is welcome, I'd like someone to address this, I may change my mind, may not. Just say its 'egotistical' is well.. useless for discussion.

[Guest]

Fuck Tim Leary, Fuck Aldous Huxley, and the rest of them.

Not in these times, maybe in near future or the distant future we can sit around in a classroom and Trip and Learn and all that bullshit but not in these times.

Then again, someone is bound to ask:

Why not? Why not in these times?

Thats a good questions maybe I'll look at that angle

[Guest]

I wont lie, I used to be one of those wannabe Tim Leary followers, typical teenager trying to relive an era I was never a part of. I used to think that society could use these 'drugs' in such a way to help us, in classrooms etc etc.

[the joint meister]

weed shrooms those r they only illegal drugs i need

[Guitarhooligan]

Bleh...way too pretentious, IMO.

[Guitarhooligan]

And also, the implication that the human race could have any lasting effect on the Earth's overall well being is extremely conceited in my opinion. The Earth has been here for over four billion years. That number is very hard to grasp for a human mind. That's about 51,948,052 average lifetimes. We, as a society, have been here for about 5,000 years. That's the blink of an eye to the earth...not even that, actually. To think that we could 'destroy' the Earth, as we so often put it, is ridiculous.

Sure, we can wipe ourselves out, but no lasting damage will be done. The Earth will replenish and revitalize itself, just as it always has.

</George Carlin>

Sorry for the double post, and the rant... :-)