man i really appriciate your response. I think i will try the mix you suggested, 3 parts compost 2 parts peat and 3 parts drainage. Will mix in a little blood and bone meal as well as lime. I have never seen kelp meal where i live, i can only buy what lowes, homedepot or walmart has. Also you mentioned woodash, can it be bought or does one just burn trees to get it?