i ordered from the doc and from seedboutique. doc said they are on the way. seedboutique said they are in packaging process. one thing i can gather tho, is not to order any kc brains seeds. i dont mean to knock them, but i've heard too many bad things about their seeds. hopefully nirvana wil come thru for me. and i did order the nl#5xbb,nl,and ww. thx for input.