Quote Originally Posted by hossua34
I dunno, I've tried the 10x several times (the guy told me that was the maximum strength, so thats either a state law or totally BS). Every time, I used a butane torch and a bong or bubbler. Every time, the smoke has felt acidic in my lungs and been painful to hold in. And every time, I have felt only a short-lived sense of being extremely dizzy, accompanied by horrible flushing and sweating. I don't fuck with salvia anymore.
Yeah, you experienced the onset. You didn't even go to the trip part because you need higher strength, and need to hold it in as long as possible.