What kind of man would do such a thing ?

[Torog]

dude, this is a cannabis forum. Can you take your self righteous bush bullsh*t elsewhere? i live in the uk were we have thinks called "real" elections, and although our prime minister f*cks up alot, at least he dosent pretend to be a saint by going around sucking up to crippled soldiers

Dude--

This particular forum,is about spirituality...are you trying to deny me,my inalienable right to freedom of speech ?

[xxxcasper1125xxx]

i wanna kill bush, bush is a fag(tho i am not goning to )

[sawleaf]

Howdy sawleaf,

Thanx for your service to this country,are you active ,retired,or reserve ?

Let me ask you this-would you rather that we fight this war on our street's-or theirs ?

Also,don't you realize that President Bush acted on the belief that saddam was more than willing to provide assistance to terrorists,and don't you realize that because we are in Iraq,that we are now poised,with the assets we need in the region to take care of the Iran and Syrian problem ?

Do you think that saddam should still be in power ?

Do you believe that the State of Israel,should be destroyed-that saddam should have been left in power so that he could provoke Israel into a nuclear war with the entire region ?

Just curious,as to why a marine wouldn't want to engage with a known enemy,who threatens our allies,invaded Kuwait and sought to destabilize the entire region and hold the Free World hostage in regards to his strategic reserves of oil.

Thanks Torog. I am reserve now, but was active duty before. First let me say I am not anti-conservative or anti-liberal. I believe both have good and bad points. Bush acting on his belief is not good enough. We needed hard evidence and we didn't have any. Iraq was not the immediate target and threat that we were led to believe it was. Of course I would rather fight terrorists on their streets, but I didn't see any Iraqi terrorists attacking us on 9/11. But why is Osama Bin Laden still around??? I was all for invading Afghanistan, believe me. I was an infantry Marine, I am not anti-war, but I do believe diplomacy should come first and Bush's diplomacy is about as shitty as it gets. I believe the US needs to cut funding to Israel in order to better our position in the middle east. We stand by and let Israel do whatever they want and treat the palestinians like crap. This doesn't help our position at all in the middle east. I am not against the war in Iraq. I think we should've come around to it, but not rushing in and lying to the American people about our goals. I would probably trust the president a lot more if he just told us up front hat we were going to remove Saddam and protect our oil interests. But he never admits when he is wrong and I believe he is definately the wrong person to be representing our country.

[Talfrn]

My hubby is a Marine also, in the reserves currently stationed in Iraq.


Just wanted to say *HI*

Semper Fi

[sawleaf]

My hubby is a Marine also, in the reserves currently stationed in Iraq.


Just wanted to say *HI*

Semper Fi

Do or Die! I am tired of my brothers coming home wounded and maimed. Although a lot of them know the war is ridiculous or have mixed thoughts on it, it is crazy to say that most of my friends love combat. Maybe it's just that crazy grunt mentality? They say it is a high unlike anything else. I wish your husband the best of luck there and a safe and speedy return home!

[Torog]

Howdy sawleaf,

You said:" I am not anti-war, but I do believe diplomacy should come first and Bush's diplomacy is about as shitty as it gets. I believe the US needs to cut funding to Israel in order to better our position in the middle east."

I sorta agree with the use of diplomacy-because I don't want any of our troops dying overseas if we can help it-however,you gotta ask yourself-who is it that we're trying to make diplomatic deals with ? If they are islamofascists-then why bother ? Islamofascist regimes need to go,the leadership and supporters,because I remain convinced,that the people of their countries,want to have peace and freedom-not have to worry about secret police,'holy men' and brutal torture and murder,simply for wanting to live in peace,freedom and prosperity.

If any of those regimes that you think we should bargain with,seek the destruction of Israel,and the death of every Jew and infidel,then they are not legitamate regimes-and they have no place in the world.

Have a good one ...Torog

[sawleaf]

Oh I agree with you there Torog. We don't need to make deals with radical Islamic groups at all. I am not talking about the PLO or anything. I don't think every jew should be killed, that is ridiculous. But do you really think Israel is an innocent country??? They are nazi-like in their brutal ways. Israel is our ally, but when we sit back and let them plow down palestinian homes and murder people, how does that make us look in the eyes of the middle east? This is one of the main reasons we are hated so much in that region. They know we support Israel and allow it to murder people. They use this as fuel against us. What would you do if you were in their situation??? You have to understand that the US is what created these terrorists in the first place. Our fucked up foreign policies have cause these people so much problems and lead to so much hate. Yet most Americans refuse to look at what lead to the current situation and what could help fix it. I hate what happened on 9/11, but do you think these people just decided one day that they were going to attack us for the fun of it? No they had their reasons for what they did, yet we ignore what lead up to the attack. We do live in a great country, but we are also very fucked up and other countries view us as terrorists as well. I understand why they do. We put our troops into any country that has our interests. Could you imagine if other countries did that to us. How would you feel if foriegn troops were in your Texas town because of their oil interests? How would you feel if they came in, got rid of a shitty politician, and then rioting and violence broke out while they stood by and did nothing but guard the oil??? Most Iraqis are very happy we got rid of Saddam, but they still hate us and want us out of their country. We rushed in there without a plan and now their country is in a lot of cases way worst off than it was with Saddam in power. Crime is rampant, people have to use portable generators for electricity, water is still out in many places, terrorist attacks are on the rise. The problem with americans is that most of us don't see and sadly don't care what the real problems are. Come on Torog, stop waving the american flag with your eyes closed.

[Imotep]

very niceley said sawleaf.
thats how i see it, even if i joke about it a lot it has kept me up at night sometimes and given me very bad dreams.
i joke about it to vent my anger at ignorance to the truth and to shift the pain i fel about it onto those who have none.
primitive i know.

religion seems to be a convinient distraction from the truth in all this.
reminds me of a song...
(imo gets starry eyed and reaches for the guitar 'round the campfire)
sings "my god can beat up your god, your god can suck on my rod"
rod- being a religious icon akin to staff or sceptre.

[holotrope]

www.georgesoros.com <-- he says everything i want to about Bush. Plus he funds lots of drug reform lobbyists and stuff, and he backs Kerry! Now, I'm not American, but as a citizen of the UK whatever your moron-hick-fundamentalist-hypocrite-commander-in-chief drags the world into has a big effect on my life and country. I hope enough of you will have the sense to vote Kerry to stop the occupation of lands under the pretense of "liberation" when all he really wants to liberate is the oil. Moreover, I think Bush (and his puppet Blair) making decisions on minimal evidence and basically acting on a hunch to send the troops in cheapens the value of the lives of the soldiers who dutifully serve thier country and leader. As the Commander-in-Chief, Bush has a responsibility NOT to mislead his troops into fighting a war that is not justified in any way. I respect the all troops for doing their part, but I would be infuriated if I were sent to risk my life not for my country, but for George W. Bush and friends' personal financial interests. Remember, this is just my opinion, and I certainly don't expect everyone who reads it to agree with it, I'm just putting it out there.

Peace.
Save the world, Vote Kerry.