Isreal and American support for violence.

[psychocat]

But if that same person said they wanted to kill you and your family and had made good on those threats and you used self defense then no you wouldnt go to prison.

And I'm sure that if you used a fucking big bomb and took out half the neighbourhood in so doing, the local police chief would give you a medal.

Get real man if you killed innocent bystanders while defending yourself do you really think you're going anywhere but prison?

[paparose]

First off, if the U.S. wasn't supplying Israel some other country would. Probably France.........after all, they gave Israel nuclear technology.

Second, if they weren't supplied so heavily they would be swarmed by their loving neighbors

Have a good one!:thumbsup:

wrong wrong wrong..
This week, USA started shiping bombs to Israel from Incirlik airbase Adana, Turkey.

[paparose]

So would you say that the reaction to recent events was justified ?
What France has to do with this is a moot point really since I was asking about America not any other country,I don't believe anyone should be supplying either side as you are simply profitting from misery.


I can tell you that that there are so many similarities between the Milosevic regime and the regime in Isreal. Both have intention of ethnically cleansing their Mulsim population either through military or economic means. Both tried to restict the freedom of these people for example by restricting the freedom of movement or as was the case in Serbia the right to work. Both regimes have showed racist attitudes towards their Muslim population. The only difference is that USA dared to confront Serbia over the genocide in Bosnia , whereas it failed to confront Isreal over its treatment of arabs in Palestine.

One mans terrorist is another mans freedom fighter.

well said

I am very impressed by the knowledge you have, at the boards mostly people talk without any supported info, they say what they heard from others, you my friend, you know what you are talking about.
I am glad we are in the same boat on this subject.

[paparose]

Howdy psychocat,

I voted yes,in yer poll..not only should we supply Israel munitions,but I hope that we have offered to provide something that they ain't got..a good ol' fashioned carpet-bombing with B-52's..it worked dang good at making thousands of Iraqi soldiers surrender and it's good at collapsing tunnel networks and bunkers too. The AC-130 Spectre gun-ships and A-10's,would be great for mopping up.

You see..there won't be a cease-fire that lasts more than 24 hours,until we or the Israeli's,destroy hezbollah. There can be no cease-fire,worth the paper it's written on,till Nasrallah and his minions,are blown to bits.

Have a good one ...

I hope those planes carpet bombs you and your family you red neck

[paparose]

what about the rocket attacks? people are dieing on bolth side CC.

why dont you guys say shit about Iran getting arms for Hezbullah?

cause you are brain washe dby the left leaning media........... thats why.

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7...276392,00.html


8 killed in rocket attack on Haifa



(VIDEO) Attack on north resumes: Rockets fired by Hizbullah terrorists from Lebanon land in Haifa; eight killed by direct hit on train depot. Worker: The truth is that last night (Saturday) I had a very bad feeling that this time it (rocket fire) would reach us. Today my premonition came true. Nahariya, Kiryat Bialik also targeted
Ahiya Raved



VIDEO - Israel Police said eight people were killed by a direct rocket strike on a train depot in Haifaâ??s Shemen Beach. Magen David Adom paramedics treated dozens of people wounded in the attack and evacuated them to hospitals in the city.



The names of the victims were released for publication:



Reuvan Levi, 43 year-old from Kiryat Ata

Danis Lapidos, 24 year-old from Kiryat Yam

Shmuel Ben Shimon, 41 year-old from Yokneam Ilit

Nisim Elhariri, 43 year-old from Kiryat Ata

Asa'el Damti, 39 year-old from Kiryat Yam

David Feldman, 28 year-old from Kiryat Yam

Sholomi Mansura, 35 year-old from Nahariya

Rafi Hazan, 30 year-old from Haifa




The IDF has begun an initial investigation of the incident. Sources in the IDF told Ynet that Hizbullah used, for the first time, a different type of rocket against Haifa, the Fajr model. The rocket has a 40 kilometer range, and can carry a larger amount of explosives than the Katyusha.

why dont you write the names of dead arabs down, u cant? why? they are not human, not worth to think about? are they animals? too many to write down? say a thousand already dead?
getting bombed every day for decades is an usual part of life in that area while the rich jews are living behind the safety of their powerful military.
now jews lost eight people what a tragedy?

I am not arab but I am with the weak and right, Israel is powerful and mean. right is right wrong is wrong, explain a 6 year old kid he/she would be with the innocents cause kids dont think evilish, they are pure untill they got brainwashed.


Choose a side, but remember there are not two rights.

[psychocat]

For me it's a simple choice and it isn't Isreals choice or Irans or Lebanons or anyone elses, it's Americas choice.

America has to ask itself are we right in supplying enemies with firepower or should we be doing more to try to enforce peace on both sides?

You can't push off responsibility for your own actions by pointing at another and saying "but they do it"

Since when did two wrongs make a right ?

If the might of America and Europe was concentrated on peace instead of commerce (bombs and planes don't come cheap) we might actualy get somewhere.
If the US is so interested in justice then why did they stand by and watch the genocide in Rhwanda

You may not know this but the U.S. is BILLIONS of dollars behind in U.N. dues. BILLIONS! Yet when the U.N. went to the U.S. to ask for the use of equipment essential to helping the situation in Rhwanda- the U.S. only offered to "lease" it for a high price.
They owed BILLIONS of dollars to the UN yet they can't loan them equipment to save lives. Why?
Because Rhwanda offers nothing in return. There was no benefit to the US going there. It's only lives? right?

[Psycho4Bud]

For me it's a simple choice and it isn't Isreals choice or Irans or Lebanons or anyone elses, it's Americas choice.

America has to ask itself are we right in supplying enemies with firepower or should we be doing more to try to enforce peace on both sides?

You can't push off responsibility for your own actions by pointing at another and saying "but they do it"

Since when did two wrongs make a right ?

If the might of America and Europe was concentrated on peace instead of commerce (bombs and planes don't come cheap) we might actualy get somewhere.
If the US is so interested in justice then why did they stand by and watch the genocide in Rhwanda

You may not know this but the U.S. is BILLIONS of dollars behind in U.N. dues. BILLIONS! Yet when the U.N. went to the U.S. to ask for the use of equipment essential to helping the situation in Rhwanda- the U.S. only offered to "lease" it for a high price.
They owed BILLIONS of dollars to the UN yet they can't loan them equipment to save lives. Why?
Because Rhwanda offers nothing in return. There was no benefit to the US going there. It's only lives? right?

This is why CLINTON ignored it:

PARIS A former French soldier said Friday that he saw French troops training Rwandan militias in 1992, two years before those same civilian militias took a leading role in a genocide in the tiny central African country.

Rwandan officials, including President Paul Kagame, have long accused France of training the militias that helped carry out the 1994 slaughter of about 500,000 people, most of them from the country's Tutsi minority. The genocide was orchestrated by a government of extremists from Rwanda's Hutu majority.

The French government, which had close ties with the extremist government, has denied training Rwandan civilians, and the Defense Ministry refused to comment Friday on the allegations made by Thierry Prungnaud, a former noncommissioned officer in the French Army.

"In 1992, I saw French military members training Rwandan civilian militias to shoot a gun," Prungnaud told France Culture radio. He said he had been sent to Rwanda that year to train the presidential guard.

"I am categorical. I saw it."

The training session took place in a national park closed to the public, according to Prungnaud. He said he was not surprised by what he saw, since he was unaware of the consequences. "To me, it seemed normal," he said.

"The only time that I saw them, there were about 30 militants being taught how to shoot in Akagera park," in eastern Rwanda, an area he said at the time was closed to the public and booby-trapped to keep unwanted visitors away.

Prungnaud said he was able to identify the men as civilians because members of the Rwandan military are always in uniform. He identified the trainers as members of the French Navy's 1st Parachute Regiment.

Although he stayed in Rwanda only for a brief period, he said, "I assume that the training continued."

In February, six Rwandans brought charges of "complicity in a genocide" against the French military at the Army Tribunal in Paris.

In a speech last year commemorating the 10th anniversary of the genocide, Kagame, a Tutsi, accused France of complicity in the genocide, saying the French "consciously trained and armed" Rwandan soldiers and militias and "knew they were going to perpetrate a genocide." The French Foreign Ministry called the accusations "grave and contrary to the truth."

Kagame led the Rwandan Patriotic Front rebels who overthrew the Hutu extremist regime and ended the genocide.

PARIS A former French soldier said Friday that he saw French troops training Rwandan militias in 1992, two years before those same civilian militias took a leading role in a genocide in the tiny central African country.

Rwandan officials, including President Paul Kagame, have long accused France of training the militias that helped carry out the 1994 slaughter of about 500,000 people, most of them from the country's Tutsi minority. The genocide was orchestrated by a government of extremists from Rwanda's Hutu majority.

The French government, which had close ties with the extremist government, has denied training Rwandan civilians, and the Defense Ministry refused to comment Friday on the allegations made by Thierry Prungnaud, a former noncommissioned officer in the French Army.

"In 1992, I saw French military members training Rwandan civilian militias to shoot a gun," Prungnaud told France Culture radio. He said he had been sent to Rwanda that year to train the presidential guard
http://www.iht.com/articles/2005/04/22/news/rwanda.php

Have a good one!:thumbsup:

[Mark Bryan]

[quote=psychocat]

Liberal lmao oh boy not that old chestnut.You will have to do better than name calling.

I called you a lib because you SOUND like one based on MY observation,not an insult.

The atomic bomb being dropped once was the biggest criminal act ever,to do it twice was inhumane. Who would you fear someone who has never dropped the bomb or some sick fuck who had used it twice?

THAT my friend was NOT an easy choice,or even a GOOD one,but it was NECESSARY or casualties would've been much LARGER!

America didn't join the fight in Europe till it was almost over, you can thank the Russians for the massive sacrifice they made that Europe wasn't ove-run.
That and the fact that Hitler didn't learn from Napoleon.The Americans like to think they won the war but to be honest THEY DIDN'T !

Not by themselves,but with Britain and Russia's help they did.

So what you're saying is that it's ok to attack children because you may kill a few terrorists?

Didn't I mention droppin' leaflets TWICE?! Why do you not address that? And FURTHERMORE SHOW me where I advocate killin' children and STOP TWISTIN' MY WORDS!

And bombing funerals now thats so fucking right isn't it?

I must've MISSED that one!

Please try to get your head out of the bodily orifice it presently occupies.

CHEAP SHOT for someone who DESPARATELY wants to cling to his belief when he loses an argument!

[Mark Bryan]

You hate Jews, hate america, Hate Bush... it clouds your judgement.

My thoughts EXACTLY! He NEVER considers what Israel's goin' through!

[Bong30]

Mark Thanks............ we do see eye to eye on many issues.