Isreal and American support for violence.

[Bong30]

Well its just what i've seen on the news over here about them bombing orphanages with children still in them etc

And george b, talking about a cease fire when hes the one helping them with weapons it.

CC if they are bombing a orphanage its cause hezbullah is in there...they were hiding in a hospital.......... Isreal soldiers went in there and went room to room to clear the dirt bags out......... why didnt they just level it.

See bolth sides.......... not just the anti isreal media.... they are washing our brain.


If hezbullah would put on a uniform and get away from civilians it would help, but they hide amoung civilians. What do you do?

[psychocat]

If hezbullah would put on a uniform and get away from civilians it would help, but they hide amoung civilians. What do you do?

Bomb everything in the vicinity like the isrealis are?

How do you expect the public in that area to react when 50 of them die for every so called Hezbollah terrorist killed?

You don't remove a tumour with a sledgehammer you use a precision scalpel, if I were an Isreali doctor confronted by a difficult to remove brain tumour would I be justified in chopping of the patients head?

None of which has anything to do with the original question .
How can the US justify saying "we demand a peaceful resolution" whilst arming one of the protagonists?

[Bong30]

Armenian Genocide - Muslims
Ambon Massacre - Muslims
Beslan School attack- Muslims
World Trade Center attacks (Twice) - Muslims
Pentagon attack - Muslims
Malcolm Kerr, Pres. American University, kidnapped & murdered - Muslims
Paul Johnson, kidnapper and beheaded - Muslims
Pan Am Flight 109 bombing - Muslims
Orly Airport attack - Muslims
Istanbul Airport attack - Muslims
Assassination attempt on Pope John Paul II - Muslim
Skyjack Sunday, 3 planes hijacked and blown up - Muslims
Planet Hollywood bombing in Cape Town - Muslims
La Belle nightclub bombing in Berlin - Muslims
AK-47 attack on CIA employees in Virginia - Muslim
Metro bombings in Paris (Twice) - Muslims
US Embassy bombing in Peru - Muslims
Russian Apartment Complex bombings - Muslims
Tunisian Synoqogue bombing - Muslim
Dagestan bombings - Muslims
US Consulate attack in Karachi - Muslims
North Ossetia Hospital attack - Muslims
Bombing of Mariott Hotel in Jakarta - Muslims
Australian Embassy bombing in Jakarta - Muslims
British Consulate and HSBC bombings - Istanbul - Muslims
Sudan Genocide - Muslims
US Embassies in Kenya & Tanzania attacks - Muslims USS Cole attack - Muslims
Nicholas Berg, kidnapped and beheaded - Muslims
Bali nightclub bombings - Muslims
Moscow subway bombings - Muslims
Twin bombings of Russian airliners - Muslims
Murder of Theo van Gogh - Muslims
Kidnapping of hundreds of civilians & beheadings of scores in the Philippines -
Muslims
Luxor Attacks - Muslims
Attempted attack on Egyptian President Mubarak - Muslims
Lt. Col. W. Higgins, kidnapped & murdered - Muslims
US Embassy in Beirut attacks (Twice) - Muslims
French Embassy in Beirut attack - Muslims
Hijack of TWA Flight 847 - Muslims
Bombing of Jewish Cultural Center in Buenos Aires - Muslims
Moscow Opera House attack and hostage taking - Muslims
Bombings & Suicide attacks in Tashkent and Boukhara - Muslims
Marine Barracks attacks Beirut - Muslims
Egyptian Embassy attack in Pakistan - Muslims
Dhahran Housing Attack - Muslims
Thousands of beheadings in Algeria - Muslims
Madrid Train Bombing - Muslims
Suicide Bombers in Iraqi and Israel - Muslims
Margaret Hussan, kidnapped and murdered - Muslims
Daniel Pearl, kidnapped and beheaded - Muslims
Beheading of bound and defenseless noncombatants - Muslims
Sarajevo Market Massacre - Muslims
Seattle Jewish Center Murders - Muslims
Modern Slave Trade in Africa - Muslims
Somnath Slaughter - Muslims
Taliban - executions of thousands and destruction of Afghan culture - Muslims
Enslavement and trade of Africans into Western Europe and Americas
Honor rapes and killings - Muslims
Oppression of women - Muslims
Oppression and suppression of other religions - Muslims
Jihad - Muslims
Fatwa - Muslims
Plus hundreds of other attacks, bombings, rapes and murders

[psychocat]

Genocide of the native inhabitants - US
Slavery - US
Undermining sovereign Nations -US
Ruling Half the World and killing off thousands of em - England

Your point is???

None of the above takes into account that America has occupied more countries in the last 100 years than any other, that the west as a whole has been seriously ripping of third world countries for longer still and you can kinda see why some people are mightily pissed at the west.

However do you really think the US has any right to arm one nation against another??

[Bong30]

Genocide of the native inhabitants - US
Slavery - US
Undermining sovereign Nations -US
Ruling Half the World and killing off thousands of em - England

Your point is???

None of the above takes into account that America has occupied more countries in the last 100 years than any other, that the west as a whole has been seriously ripping of third world countries for longer still and you can kinda see why some people are mightily pissed at the west.

However do you really think the US has any right to arm one nation against another??

Yes cause the other side can get weapons too..........would you like me to post links?

[graymatter]

I agree with both of you. Fanatical Muslim culture sucks... Their dogma promotes backward, irrational, violent, suicidal emotions and behavior. Call it a generalization, but prove it wrong.

But the U.S. isn't a model for fostering TRUE democracy ANYWHERE that commercial interest doesn't matter... and Fanatical Christians finally figured out that the Ku Klux Klan approach to getting their way wasn't working anymore, so they hire lawyers that specialize in the 1st amendment.

Fanatical Muslims are about 100 years behind fanatical Christians with respect to legal and systematic processes.

[psychocat]

Yes cause the other side can get weapons too..........would you like me to post links?

So the fact that one side can get weapons is good enough reason to give them to their enemy?
Isn't that just going to contribute to the problem?
Shouldn't the might of the west then be concentrated on disarming both parties?

It doesn't suprise me in the least that Bush supports the sale of weapons


http://observer.guardian.co.uk/busin...792196,00.html

[graymatter]

Weapons rule the moment, but they're not the lingering issues... Address and peacefully resolve differences of sacredness and property; the rest will follow like ducks... kind of like the divorce settlement from hell.

[Mark Bryan]

I hate hypocrisy and it would seem to me that the US is guilty as hell right now.
The US goverment says "We want a ceasefire in the Middle East" but then they are still supplying Isreal with weapons.
Am I the only one who believes that if America wants peace in the east they should not supply anyone with weapons?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/liv...11&expand=true

Please understand that Israel (Judah:Genesis;49:8-10) is our ally,(and brother nation) Without America,(Joseph/Manasseh:Genesis;49:22-26) Israel would cease to exist and Islamofascism would spread from there to Europe and eventually here alot faster than you're seein' it now! We're sullpyin'them the weapons and planes for their survival,while fightin' against the Iraqis (Chaldeans/Babylonians) And Afghanistan (Ishmael/Esau's seed) http://www.ensignmessage.com/worldaffairs9.htm

[psychocat]

You're quoting the bible to an atheist.
It is also obvious that you are probably religiously fanatical yourself as your post smacks of Islamophobia, neither religion should be taken to extreme, have you read Leviticus?
I find the bible and all religions are used as an excuse for hatred it's all BS.

You did not address my point but in so doing you reminded me of another point.

How can the US be unbiased and mediate whilst showing support for one side?
Surely they should support peace rather than war?


PS even an Atheist like me can quote the bible too

"I will sweep away everything in all your land," says the LORD. "I will sweep away both people and animals alike. Even the birds of the air and the fish in the sea will die. I will reduce the wicked to heaps of rubble, along with the rest of humanity," says the LORD. "I will crush Judah and Jerusalem with my fist and destroy every last trace of their Baal worship. I will put an end to all the idolatrous priests, so that even the memory of them will disappear. For they go up to their roofs and bow to the sun, moon, and stars. They claim to follow the LORD, but then they worship Molech, too. So now I will destroy them! And I will destroy those who used to worship me but now no longer do. They no longer ask for the LORD's guidance or seek my blessings." (Zephaniah 1:2-6 NLT)