veganism, vegetarism, consiousness

[RedLocks]

Since ya want to mention the bible i will too, I'm sweating my ass off though so not going to spend the time looking for passages to quote..nm found em.. First let me say I was a vegetarian for 10 years.. Ok, so anyways,

God caused to spring up from the soil every kind of tree, enticing to look at and good to eat, with the tree of life and the tree of the knowledge of good and evil in the middle of the garden.

Then God said, â??Let us make man in our image, after our likeness. And let them have dominion over the fish of the sea and over the birds of the heavens and over the livestock and over all the earth and over every creeping thing that creeps on the earth.â?�

So basically if you actually read through the bible there are passages supporting the idea that god gave man fruit bearing plants and beats to hold dominion over, but as with anything, words can be contorted to have any meaning the reader wishes to have. As far as thou shall not kill, that speaks of human life. ok back to an air conditioned room..

[benagain]

I haven't a problem with people that hunt and eat what they kill but "convenience" meat eaters who get their meat from MickeyDs or cellophaned wrapped at their local grocery need to go shoot a cow, skin it, clean it and eventually eat it and then tell me how much they like and need meat.

I've done it before and it's just easier for me to go to publix
I've determined I like meat of any flavor. You can eat what you want I don't mind, I've had several meals of veggies only (cornbread, beans, fried squash and mashed 'taters), but I've got to have a nice cut of meat from time to time. Fish, beef, pork, chicken, it's all yummy in my tummy :dance:

[SomeDude]

I can understand someone who choses that lifestyle for health reasons, but what I don't understand is the people that have that lifestyle because of animal "rights." I can understand if you personally don't want to harm another living creature for the purpose of your own conscience, but claiming that animals have a right to life doesn't make since. Killing is a natural act that animals(like man) do every day. Suffering and death are not only parts of life, but essential elements to the balance of the universe. I do have the choice not to do it, but the universe will balance itself out anyway. An example of this is the mule deer situation. There are more of them now than there were in the 1950s, but much less habitat. If people didn't kill them, they would eat all the food in the forest and their numbers would balance through starvation. The universe works this way. To be truly whole people we must embrace the not so shiny side of the good/evil coin.

[Oneironaut]

I don't think biblical argument is the best way to make a case for vegetarianism. If you actually read the Bible, you'll quickly realize that Yahweh is no advocate of vegetarianism. The biblical dietary laws (still practiced by Jews today and called kashrut) proscribe that meat for eating should be killed in a specific way. Yahweh has a list of clean animals which are fit for eating (cows, chickens, lambs, grasshoppers...) and unclean animals which should never be eaten (pigs, shellfish, mice, lizards...), and I don't think any Biblical scholar would claim that the "thou shalt not kill" commandment overrides those dietary rules.

I myself am a vegetarian, and have been for many years. I don't see it as a moral or ethical thing though. I think anybody should be able to choose whatever kind of diet they want, and it's really none of my business what you put in your mouth as long as it isn't my food. Personally my vegetarianism is more of an aesthetic concern; I just don't like the taste or texture of meat, or the thought of putting corpses in my mouth.

[jamstigator]

Well, so far as I'm concerned, they're at least cooked corpses. It's *after* I die that I'll start eating raw meat. Brains preferably. Unless I get distracted by fireworks.

[Nochowderforyou]

Well, so far as I'm concerned, they're at least cooked corpses. It's *after* I die that I'll start eating raw meat. Brains preferably. Unless I get distracted by fireworks.

They're not even corpses for very long. A corpse, in my eyes, is a full bodied animal/human that has all entrails intact, and is decomposing. Those animals are killed and sliced up within the hour. :thumbsup: