9/11 TRUTH

[jamstigator]

Oh, Jones. Yeah, well, many of his own colleagues disagree with his assessments. In fact, most qualified engineers who have seen his 'evidence' disagree with his conclusions. That's probably why he hasn't submitted his theory and evidence to any normal peer-reviewed channel. Very odd. It's almost like he doesn't *want* his peers to review it. (Hah! A conspiracy theory about a conspiracy theorist!)

The fact that he believes that Jesus was resurrected and then came to Latin America for a visit, well, I'm not so sure his elevator goes all the way to the top. Sounds like a decent 'B' horror movie though: 'Zombie Jesus Goes To...Cancun!' I'd put that in my NetFlix queue immediately. Really! Even if it would make Mel Gibson mad.

(No offense meant to anyone who really believes that. I feel like a subtitle in a South Park episode.)

[Breukelen advocaat]

Well, there's a lot more to the Steven E. Jones story. His main "influence" for his 9/11 theories was Sarah Mene, who claims to have had "visions" of the events of 9/11 beforehand. She's the author of a book called There is No Death. Her website is suspended, but you can still get a cache of it on:
http://64.233.161.104/search?q=cache...s&ct=clnk&cd=5

Jones' connection to Sarah Mene:
http://911truthseekers.gnn.tv/blogs/...t_MP3_Download

From the (suspended) website, There Is No Death:
Sarah Menet was pronounced dead but she did not die. Her near death experience (NDE) is one of the most extensive ever recorded. Sarah not only visited the beautiful spirit world, describing the people, their dress, activities, and buildings; but she also visited what could be called "hell" and describes the torment of those committed to that terrible place. She also received answers to many questions such as:
*Why are terrible things allowed to happen to good people?
*Is there a purpose to life here on earth?
*Why is it important to treat others with respect?
*Is it important to be good?
*Is there such a thing as deja vu?
*Is there such a thing as reincarnation?
*What are some of the difficulties that may lie ahead for us on earth?

Sarah was also shown several future events. She saw tall buildings in New York collapsing amidst smoke and debris and people running years before 9/11. (Bold Mine). This was the beginning of other calamities which were to include a great plague suddenly striking several cities in the United States, a nuclear war, and other devastating events.

This happened to her because Sarah, after a lifetime of abuse, difficulty and disappointment, had sought oblivion and death by attempting suicide. She found that it is always wrong to take one's own life, as it frustrates the purposes of life and brings on difficulty and penalty in the world beyond. However, she learned that there are different degrees of seriousness of such actions. She emerged from her experiences with a changed heart, released from the pain and bitterness of abuse and failure and willing to forgive herself and others, something that had completely escaped her before her experience.

[graymatter]

The fact that he believes that Jesus was resurrected and then came to Latin America for a visit, well, I'm not so sure his elevator goes all the way to the top. Sounds like a decent 'B' horror movie though: 'Zombie Jesus Goes To...Cancun!' I'd put that in my NetFlix queue immediately. Really! Even if it would make Mel Gibson mad.

That's too fuckin' funny! :thumbsup:

[birdgirl73]

bird girl - you are correct

But I still feel like I could have done more. I went to a conference last weekend where the new senior fellow to Condalissa Rices' (spelling whatever) advising staff was giving a speech.. talking about sucess and all this stuff he had done.. which included getting a phD from Oxford, leading a whole division in Iraq.. publishing a book on foriegn policy.. and being accepted as a senior advisor to Condis staff.. he then took questions and answered them better than I have ever in my life seen real questions answered.. as calm and cool as possible and they were definatly not staged questions.. but he answered them as perfect as if he was on tape being played back.. He gave up a basketball scholarship to join ROTC.. I mean this guy really had an impact on me.. like where I want to go with my life kind of impact..

At the end of the whole thing the guy that introduced him came out and told him to tell everyone how old he was... he said.. twenty seven.. and a STANDING OVATION ensued.

So I guess I have some catching up to do.. hehe.. Im not the best but seeing him and his achievements motivates me to strive for more.

That must have been neat to see! What was the guy's name? I'll bet we'll all see more of him. It's always nifty to see intelligent, articulate people speak extemporaneously and without stumbling, completely off the cuff, esepcially when they're so young. Brain power shows through!

While my political leanings are in the other direction, I have a lot of respect for Condoleeza Rice, as I do for lots of folks in the Bush administration. Condi is bright as can be, but I've noticed she's not always an at-ease speaker herself. Probably it's simply having to measure her words so carefully, which never fails to set speakers up for self-consciousness. Her coaches and writers haven't gotten her to the point where she's dropped the "ahs" and "uhs" when she's speaking. She'll get there, though, and I would love to see her teach sometime and watch what happens when the careful scripting is gone.

I'm going to look out for this senior fellow once I know his name. Sounds like a good professional model to aspire to!

[intangible child]

It will be five years in Sept. 2006 since the towers were attacked by terrorists. There will be all kinds of memorial services and tributes. Why don't you just come to New York City and ask the people that were there that day what happened? You can easily find people that were in the Towers on 9/11 that still work in lower Manhattan. If you can't, or won't, do this, then you should not make statements about it because you don't know what you are talking about.

Nobody in NYC, at least nobody I've ever met, believes that anything other than terrorists in planes were responsible for the destruction of WTC One and Two. If you've never even come here, you won't know jack.

P.S. Please stop wasting valuable space on this board with the same old videos. They are not going to change anybody's mind.

9/11 conspiracy debunking site:
http://us.geocities.com/debunking911/index.htm

I see your looking for bin laden...........

Where's bin Laden........
For your future reference, here's what Bush has said about bin Laden at various points in time, depending on how he was trying to spin things:
"The most important thing is for us to find Osama bin Laden. It is our number one priority and we will not rest until we find him."
- G.W. Bush, 9/13/01
"I want justice...There's an old poster out West, as I recall, that said, 'Wanted: Dead or Alive,'"
- G.W. Bush, 9/17/01, UPI
"...Secondly, he is not escaping us. This is a guy, who, three months ago, was in control of a county [sic]. Now he's maybe in control of a cave. He's on the run. Listen, a while ago I said to the American people, our objective is more than bin Laden. But one of the things for certain is we're going to get him running and keep him running, and bring him to justice. And that's what's happening. He's on the run, if he's running at all. So we don't know whether he's in cave with the door shut, or a cave with the door open -- we just don't know...."
- Bush, in remarks in a Press Availability with the Press Travel Pool,
The Prairie Chapel Ranch, Crawford TX, 12/28/01, as reported on
official White House site
"I don't know where bin Laden is. I have no idea and really don't care. It's not that important. It's not our priority."
- G.W. Bush, 3/13/02
"I am truly not that concerned about him."
- G.W. Bush, responding to a question about bin Laden's whereabouts,
3/13/02 (The New American, 4/8/02)
â??"Because he's hidingâ?¦" Bush, explaining why Osama bin Laden has yet to be captured. (Washington Post interview, Jan. 16, 2005)

[jamstigator]

Those 6'6" Muslims with attached dialysis machines and armies of AK-47-wielding bodyguards are hard to spot in a crowd!

[paparose]

9/11 was planned ten years ago by both Mossad and CIA. No true white americans and jewish were present in towers at 9/11.
It was a scenario which served both sides USA and Israel, with the rising patriotism after 9/11 Bush attacked on Iraq and created a kaos as we see now. Israel is also using that muslim terrrorist crap and killing innocent every day.

IT IS A DOUBLE STANDART WORLD, JUSTICE IS ONLY FOR STRONGS!!!!!
GOD DAMN JEWS AND THEIR DOGS

[jamstigator]

What's a 'true white American'? That's a phrase the neonazis and fascists tend to use. Looked like lotsa white folks were in the towers, at least to me. You saying they were black people wearing makeup? Aliens? What's your conspiracy theory? Hope it's something other than the same ol' boring and totally repudiated ones we've all seen.

BTW, an estimated 400-500 Jews died on 9/11 in the WTC buildings. The number would have been higher except many Orthodox Jews went to work an hour later because of the Selichot prayers recited in the days before the Jewish New Year.

Here's some of the last names of victims: Adler, Aron, Berger, Bernstein,
Cohen, Eichler, Eisenberg, Feinberg, Friedlander, Goldstein,
Greenstein, Horwitz, Jablonski, Kestenbaum, Kirchbaum, Kleinberg,
Levi, Levine, Mayer, Rosenberg, Rosenblum, Rosenthal, Sachs,
Safronoff, Schwartz, Shulman, Shwartzstein, Silverstein, Solomon,
Steinman, Temple, Weil, Weinberg, Weingard, Weinstein, Weiss, Zukelman.

You think none of those names refer to Jews?

paparose, your prejudice is clear. It's sad, really. When you're gone, will your kids tell others, "My dad was okay, except that he was a racist and a bigot"? Nice legacy you're working on there.

[paparose]

keep living in denial. I am a person that knows what is right and whats wrong. Could you tell me that what Jews are doing in Labanon and Palestin are right?
keep belive in what CNN tells you....
your children would say our dad only knew one side of the story he never cared the other part because he was prejudice....

[jamstigator]

Well, my children can say what they want (seeing as I have chosen not to have any). But if I had any, at least they wouldn't think that I was blind enough to think that the World Trade Centers were devoid of Jews and blacks and Spanish people and anyone not a 'true white American', whatever that is.

BTW, you didn't define what a 'true white American' is, and I'm sure many of us are interested in your definition, and why you chose to include the word 'white' at all.

As for whether what the Israelis are doing is right or wrong, well, that kinda depends on your perspective. If you're an Israeli who just lost his family because of Hezbullah rockets, I'm sure what they're doing seems very right. If you're a Lebanese civilian who lost his family in an Israeli airstrike, then I'm sure what the Israelis are doing seems quite wrong. Me, seeing as I don't like when terrorist organizations like Hezbullah kill Americans, which they have -- I'm okay with bombing them back to the Stone Age. Less people will die at their hands if all they have access to are sticks and rocks, and if they decide to attack Americans again, it'll be easier to defend against them.

I have to assume you're either not an American yourself, or you're anti-American, or something, seeing as you're basically defending a militant organization that has used terrorist methods to kill Americans.