9/11 TRUTH

[Breukelen advocaat]

OK, I'm going to indulge the conspiracy scenario for a moment. 9/11 was a government conspiracy (actually, executive conspiracy, because the U.S. Congress couldn't find its ass with both hands).

To what ends?

Was it to invade Iraq and be mired in the shit we're in right now? Or was it to let Israel take it on the chin and say, "enough! We're Israel and we're allowed to exist and we're going to go and kick some ass now."

Or, is it to let Israel set the stage for a larger war with Iran? You can draw all sorts of grand conclusions about 9/11 and they all can fit nicely with sinister intentions...

So, here's my question: If I'm a terrorist and I really want to fuck up the psyche and emotions of the west, what do I do?

I walk into a MacDonalds in Akron, Ohio and I blow myself up. But I do this in coordinated fashion with my Jihad folk that walked into a movie theatre in Fargo, North Dakota along with the people that hit a strip mall in Greenville, South Carolina, and the Friday night football game in Bute, Montana... and on and on until you have simultaneous, low level attacks in every one of the United States.

If you want to paralyze the United States with fear and panic, do it on a smaller scale but more widespread. To me this is the only valid point of the conspiracists. Why the fuck would Al-Quada wait for "high profile" targets when they could cripple us with multiple, low level targets... over and over.

For one thing, their communities in the U.S. would be burned down, and the Muslim residents persecuted. They would be running to the FBI and CIA with information just to get the vigilantes off their backs. If there are any attacks such as the ones you descibe, or worse, in New York City, I guarantee that the streets will run red with blood - mostly theirs.

I don't think that they could pull it off. Whoever it is in the Middle East that hides Bin Laden and people of his ilk would be exposed. Plus, not all of these guerrilla jihad attacks would be successful, and those that were caught would be compelled to talk.

It may happen in the future, though, if we don't nip it in the bud and stop them from coming here.

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[birdgirl73]

As ever, Gray, I like the way your mind works. Your questions are valid ones. And that scenario makes chills run up my spine.

[Breukelen advocaat]

I experienced the "fear and panic" myself after 9/11, because I was close to it.

Believe me, after it wears off, you're ready for anything. Except for those that lost their jobs due to building destruction, or were severly injured or killed, people went right back to work and the financial district of New York was back in business within a week after 9/11. The bastards didn't expect that. :dance:

[birdgirl73]

Even those of us who weren't close to it physically experienced fear and panic. I did two thousand miles away in Texas.

Two of my bosses and two colleagues were up there that morning after having spent the night at the WTC Marriott. They were leaving the hotel for their event up a little further north of the WTC complex just about the time the first plane hit. They dodged falling debris and moved quickly out of the area, but one of those guys was traumatized enough that he has truly never been the same. They didn't get home for six days, and of course all their stuff in the hotel was lost. Our company had two people wounded at the Pentagon. It touched folks down here far differently from the way it did New Yorkers, but it was panic-inducing even remotely. At least for me it was.

[Breukelen advocaat]

Even those of us who weren't close to it physically experienced fear and panic. I did two thousand miles away in Texas.

Two of my bosses and two colleagues were up there that morning after having spent the night at the WTC Marriott. They were leaving the hotel for their event up a little further north of the WTC complex just about the time the first plane hit. They dodged falling debris and moved quickly out of the area, but one of those guys was traumatized enough that he has truly never been the same. They didn't get home for six days, and of course all their stuff in the hotel was lost. Our company had two people wounded at the Pentagon. It touched folks down here far differently from the way it did New Yorkers, but it was panic-inducing even remotely. At least for me it was.

We still have to fight just to get federal money in NYC to prevent terrorism. It's a disgrace. If we have to do it ourselves, we will, but the ragheads better be ready to meet Allah, or whoever they expect in the next life, because fear turns into anger - and that's something that a few have already experienced from us, which should serve as a warning of worse things to come.

The fire next time will not be small.

G'night!

[Oneironaut]

I think the funniest thing about this whole 9/11 conspiracy theory thing is that the conspiracy theorists don't even agree with each other. You'd think, if this was a serious investigation that was uncovering a real government conspiracy, that the same evidence would be discovered and re-discovered by multiple independent lines of inquiry, which would all lead to more or less the same conclusion about "what really happened". Did bombs bring down the towers, or was it really just the remote control planes? Did a missile hit the Pentagon, or a small military jet, or a remote control airliner, or was it the real airliners flown by people who were in cahoots with the government? Did the government support the Muslim terrorists and help them carry out the act, or did the government do it on its own then frame them?

All the conspiracy theorists are doing is anomaly hunting. They take a major event, pick a group they don't like to blame it on, then sift through massive quantities of data pertaining to the event in order to find anything remotely anomalous. Then they trot out the anomalies which "prove" that the common-sense explanation isn't right, and shove their alternative theory down your throat with no supporting evidence. All they think they need to do is disprove the "official explanation", and then they're right by default. And sadly, many people take the bait. When faced with all these supposed anomalies (and probably some pre-existing mistrust of the government), they will take the conspiracy theorist at his word just because nobody has taken the time to make a flashy video about why he is incorrect.

Their failure to provide positive evidence confirming the conspiracy claims instead of just negative evidence against the commonly held explanation is why they have such disparate theories. They don't actually find evidence that the conspiracy happened; they just find evidence that the event didn't happen the way we think it did. It's just like the thousands of Roswell and JFK conspiracy theories.

[halo]

I dunno. I mean there is a lot of compellin evidence. Im not entirely 100% sure that the govt was involved in the attacks but i do believe they had advanced knowledge. I mean they had to have had advanced knowledge to warn the politicians not to fly that day. (Sorry i forgot the names). Although i do think it is entirely possible that our government could do something like that.

[birdgirl73]

Oneironaut, you da man. What intelligent points you made up there.

[pisshead]

watch the videos before you pass judgement...

you've done what you can...some people are going to believe the 19 freedom hating muslim conspiracy theory no matter how little it explains of the whole spectrum of 9/11 issues...

[slowthestone]

I think the funniest thing about this whole 9/11 conspiracy theory thing is that the conspiracy theorists don't even agree with each other.

As evidence mounts, the consensus grows.

You'd think, if this was a serious investigation that was uncovering a real government conspiracy, that the same evidence would be discovered and re-discovered by multiple independent lines of inquiry, which would all lead to more or less the same conclusion about "what really happened".

No...what I think is that its awfully inconsistent with the investigation policies and practices of the principal agencies involved would allow evidence be destroyed. As in...sent to the scrap yard asap.

Did bombs bring down the towers, or was it really just the remote control planes? Did a missile hit the Pentagon, or a small military jet, or a remote control airliner, or was it the real airliners flown by people who were in cahoots with the government? Did the government support the Muslim terrorists and help them carry out the act, or did the government do it on its own then frame them?

Write your congressional representitive. Ask those same exact questions.

All the conspiracy theorists are doing is anomaly hunting. They take a major event, pick a group they don't like to blame it on, then sift through massive quantities of data pertaining to the event in order to find anything remotely anomalous. Then they trot out the anomalies which "prove" that the common-sense explanation isn't right, and shove their alternative theory down your throat with no supporting evidence.

The greatest lump of evidence to this patriot is the overwhelming LACK of physical evidence. As well as, things that have been covered-up, lied about (helps to have a bullshit detector). ie...Bush has a pattern of defending his actions with his idealogic rhetoric. To the point of several times him losing his controlled demeanor for all to see. The man never defends anything he did that day. More to the point...he doesn't go anywhere near the topic.

All they think they need to do is disprove the "official explanation", and then they're right by default.

Not me. I've no interest in debunking the official anything. I just can't help but notice the glaring inconsistencies and the ensuing acute sense of 'official explanations' having been manipulated.

And sadly, many people take the bait. When faced with all these supposed anomalies (and probably some pre-existing mistrust of the government), they will take the conspiracy theorist at his word just because nobody has taken the time to make a flashy video about why he is incorrect.

There are videos and publications that counter those that believe otherwise. They however, are flimsy explanations at best.

Their failure to provide positive evidence confirming the conspiracy claims instead of just negative evidence against the commonly held explanation is why they have such disparate theories. They don't actually find evidence that the conspiracy happened; they just find evidence that the event didn't happen the way we think it did. It's just like the thousands of Roswell and JFK conspiracy theories.

Again, this is where I point out the massive lack of physical evidence. The NTSB for example...every major aviation accident they investigate...the collect physical evidence, piece the plane back as best as can be done..and then house the evidence for future reference.

Flight 93 is nowhere to be found. And that is flat out...odd. They'll fish wreackage of the bottom of a body of water, keep it all in storage...inquiring about flight 93 though leads to dead ends.