ASTRO TRAVELLING..?

[Kenn]

Thank u to all who posted a reply, i did some reserch and have just come to the conclusion that ANYTHING IS POSSIBLE!..but ill stick to my car to get around!!

[ate]

Ehh...

Take a look at this...
http://www.thegreatillusion.com/index.shtml

[Binzhoubum]

I can't believe that people buy into this.

It's all right in front of us. Life is not as complicated as most people would like to believe. :smokin:

[Binzhoubum]

Talking about astral projection, praying to God, levels of enlightenment is all nonsense.

Fundamentally, you are all talking about the same thing. You're insecurity towards that which you know nothing of and couldn't possibly begin to know anything about until you realize that.

Go stare at a flower. Watch some children play a game. See the old women struggling up the stairs to her seventh floor apartment. Watch the cash register open at McDonalds.

Are there any connections? Is there a higher consciousness? Yes, I believe there is, but it is found through the absence of beliefs. Just live. And realize that in every moment that is the point. That is all there is.

:smokin:

[Binzhoubum]

I want to correct a sentence I made in the post before. :smokin:

I meant to say:

Fundamentally, you are all talking about the same thing; namely, your collective insecurity towards that which you know nothing of and couldn't possibly begin to know anything about until you realize that all such systems of belief are merely structures with no foundation.

[Inferius]

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Fundamentally, you are all talking about the same thing; namely, your collective insecurity towards that which you know nothing of and couldn't possibly begin to know anything about until you realize that all such systems of belief are merely structures with no foundation.
The problem with this, is that it's hypocritical. It's the constant paradox of knoledge. You don't know anything until you realize you know nothing. What you're saying can be taken just the same way. Sure, you can say it's all a load of crap, but it makes life more interesting to apply labels and ideas in structure of expirementation. It allows you to sort out your expirience into more omni-understanding ways. To communicate. To go after a certain idea than just looking at it as a whole.
There are infinite ways to expirience the common reality. Simplicity is nice, it's pleasant, and occasionally thats just what you need. But then one day you' might find yourself researching different astral planes, or the phenomenon of webbed-human-consciousness.
Things can be as simple or complex as you want them to be...

[SpiritLevel]

i like this thread!

[Binzhoubum]

I think you are all giving the human mind more credit than it deserves.

We are just like the computers we love so much. We are programmed through the years to respond to certain stimuli in any of many specific manners.

I am not saying that "astral projection" is not real or "webbed-human consciousness" does not occur. What I am I trying to drive home is that any school of thought, as such, is born out of social constructs which have already been proven false through years of endless argument and conjecture.

[Inferius]

I keep trying to think of a way to make an alternative point, but I keep getting frustrated, you didn't say enough to argue with.
Show some proof. Links and logic.

[Binzhoubum]

I keep trying to think of a way to make an alternative point, but I keep getting frustrated, you didn't say enough to argue with.
Show some proof. Links and logic.

In order to clarify what I was talking about I need to link up a couple articles first.

http://www.krishnamurti.oddech.com/beginnings10.html

http://www.kfs.org/~jonathan/witt/tlph.html

:smokin:

Trying browsing through those links. It will help you to understand exactly what it is I am trying to say.

I guess the easiest way to explain the point I am trying to make is like this: When we argue we are arguing because we have a certain belief that is in direct conflict with another indidvidual's belief, right? Well, what are beliefs? Why are beliefs formed?

Beliefs are formed when we identify ourselves with something and we like to identify ourselves through certain beliefs because it gives us a sense that we are able to do something or know something and in turn makes us feel secure. This is what we are seeking when we identify ourselves with some type of belief set or structure. We are seeking security through identification.

It simply doesn't matter what is truth or what is false when we are speaking about beliefs that have been formed out of a desire for security. Almost all of our beliefs and actions come from this need for security and identification. All of the truths we speak of and argue about on a daily basis are completely subjective. The only real truth, whatever that means, can come from complete objectivity, which, in turn, must come from the absence of belief and the destruction of this need for security through identification.

Our minds function out of habit, habits which have been learned through various interactions and events which occur in our environment. Why does the mind function in such a habitual way? Is it not true that habitual behaviors offer some semblance of security? The mind feels more secure functioning in habit because our respective habits have been constructed from that which is known, and that which is known is comforting.

So, we think in patterns which have been developed into habits which have come from interaction with that which is known. Are we able to change our thought patterns? Are we able to think of that which is "unknown", whatever that means?

How do we break out of these habits which are born out of all that is known? Seems to me like everything which is known is of little use and that everyone's beliefs are at the very least flawed in some manner. So, this is why I believe that in order to acheive a new level of thought or consciousness, one must relieve themselves of all beliefs and habits associated with the known.

There needs to be a break in the continuity of the known in order to rise above it and see it for what it is at it's most fundamental level.

Let me end with a few quotes I find helpful when thinking about this subject:

"We feel that even if all possible scientific questions be answered, the problems of life have still not been touched at all. But of course there is then no question left, and just this is the answer."

And my personal favorite: :smokin:

My propositions are elucidatory in this way: he who understands me finally recognizes them as senseless, when he has climbed out through them, on them, over them. (He must so to speak throw away the ladder, after he has climbed up on it.)
He must surmount these propositions; then he sees the world rightly.

Is that enough to argue with Inferius? :smokin: