ASTRO TRAVELLING..?

[peacetrain]

Of course I've never attempted so I can't really say, I have done a lot of yoga and I understand meditation, disconnect from your thoughts, etc.

...and astral projection has always seemed like B.S. to me. How I spot bullshit:

1. It's never been historically/scientifically documented from an objective source. (If it has no possibility of every being documented objectively no matter what, it seems even less plausible)

2. It's a concept that humans wish they could have. (Super powers, eternal life, etc.)

I guess anythings possible...but if the brain does somehow develop super x-men powers when more if it is used, I hope we get telekinesis!!!

[shilling]

People often ask if I believe in god. I used to dilly dally in answers till I realised. It does NOT matter whether I do or not. By the time I find out it will be too late to change any decisions made that would've depended on my belief or disbelief.

Instead, I choose to live a life that mostly is good, not coz i'm afraid of a supreme being, but just coz I think that the very basic laws of existence, eg, every action has an equal and opposing reaction, apply to everything. If I slap someone today, I will be slapped back, before I take my last breath.

So, applying this to astral projection, I'd say that I give the benefit of the doubt to people who say they have done it.
I was doing a really really long drive in Australia and a conversation got going between me and Dave, someone I had just hitched this ride with. He said he could astrally project and his mum could also do the same.
He gave me an example of how he had used it. There was a child in a nearby house that was having trouble with a ghost that would bother the child in the night. The child had told his parents that someone was talking to him in the night. They didn't believe him, but as general conversation, mentioned it to Dave's mum who told Dave.
Without discussing with the family, Dave astrally travelled to the house at night and says he met an old man in spirit form who was talking to the boy. He asked the spirit to stop as it was distressing the boy.
Apparently, from the next night the kid stopped having trouble sleeping and never mentioned the old man again.
Draw your own conclusions, but for me that is a sweet story! IF astral travel exists than that was a cool use of it. SO, I refuse to write it off, simply because SCIENCE can't prove it.

[hazetwostep]

binzhoubum... do you believe that your belief on the concept of beliefs is flawed the same as everyone else's beliefs???

[HinduKush83]

It doesn't matter if you really "believe" in God. What matters is how best you "emulate" God, through love and compassion and wisdom.

[Coelho]

personally i believe in the reality of astral projections, out of body experiences, and this kind of things.

anyway... nice discussions here... i wish i would comment on every post, but im too lazy (still the effects of yesterday's green dragon).

what we call 'reality', is only a perceptual consense. for example:
if i say im seeing a little gnome here at my side, (no im not on shrooms ) but nobody else sees it, then the gnome is said to be unreal.
but if everybody sees the gnome, like me, then the gnome is said to be real.
think about this: the fact everybody sees the gnome is absolutely *no proof* it really exists... somewhat like matrix huh?

during the process of learning and socialization, a children *learns* to percieve only the things which are into the perceptual scheme of the society it lives. a children can be born with a lot of another possibilities of perception, but if this kinds of perception were not shared by the another members of the society this children lives, then it will *learn* to disregard this perception as 'unreal', fantasy, until it have no more of this perceptions, and be a 'normal' (which means equal to everybody) citizen of that society.

it means there is lots and lots of perceptions of the world we could do, but we limit ourselves to the small bit of perceptions needed to our daily life.
so, most people are chained to the small possibilities of their society-conditioned perception. and they think its all that exist... and are proud of saying it... its why the psychedelic experiences can be so bizarre and alien... cause it brings to us an inimaginable kind of perception of the world.

there is more things which can be said on this subject... but now im not very concentrated to write (and translate on the run to english)... so, think about this...

If possible, with the help of our enlighter Mary Jane! :jointsmile:

[funky not a junky]

i believe i have done this under the influence of a drug other than weed. I was tripping out and i inhibited my friend's mind while my eyes were closed. He was on the same drug and he was trippin but i did whatever he did. I dunno if this is the same thing as astral projection, but if it was then i have projected myself. Dont knock it before you try it tho