ok...i see that i should be in the clear...i have done some very good research on this growing stuff but i do think that i have tons left to learn...i wish that i could post pics but i dont have a camera...i would say that these plants are a little over 1 1|2 ft tall and have plenty of secondary growth under the old fan leaves..that are now gone..also...they are on a 15-9 light cycle...going down an hour each week...till 12-12....i am feeding with 20-20-20 ferts...but am taking a break from those for a little bit...i looked on a web page on plant problems...and i would definitly say that they suffered from nute burn...but they also could be from phospherous deficiency...so i am thinking of going back and feeding them with my rooting solution that is 8-24-12...any suggestions?????